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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby CaptainFluffatun » 25 Jun 2013 00:26

LutariFan wrote:Question: For feedback and such, should I upload the whole song or still just a snippet?(soundcloud)

For feedback upload the whole song to dropbox.com. As for teasers, ask InC for specifics. I wouldn't make a song that you still want feedback on public. Just put it on a private website like dropbox and then link it to us c:

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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 25 Jun 2013 01:28

CaptainFluffatun wrote:
LutariFan wrote:Question: For feedback and such, should I upload the whole song or still just a snippet?(soundcloud)

For feedback upload the whole song to dropbox.com. As for teasers, ask InC for specifics. I wouldn't make a song that you still want feedback on public. Just put it on a private website like dropbox and then link it to us c:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... %201-2.mp3

Okay nice, because I really need feedback on this.

Haven't made an outro yet but working on it.

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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby Fimbulin » 25 Jun 2013 07:15

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Slow Eurobeat.

Actually is house.

Sounds like Stormwolf on Ritalin.

Clap clap clap clap clap...

*Dances.

~~~~SERIOUS~~~~
This needs a riff in the background. An arpeggio of some sort.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 25 Jun 2013 09:33

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LutariFan wrote:/ihavenoideawhatgenrethisis


Slow Eurobeat.

Actually is house.

Sounds like Stormwolf on Ritalin.

Clap clap clap clap clap...

*Dances.

~~~~SERIOUS~~~~
This needs a riff in the background. An arpeggio of some sort.


Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... peggio.mp3

I feel like it's drowning out the other leads, but that might just be me...
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby CaptainFluffatun » 25 Jun 2013 10:08

LutariFan wrote:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42355773/Output%201-2.mp3

Okay nice, because I really need feedback on this.

Haven't made an outro yet but working on it.

Before I begin it should be noted that I am primarily an orchestral musician, and that everything I say is subject to my stupidity.

I feel like the drums could be a little more clear in the mix. Make sure you're EQing all of your low-end stuff very carefully to give room for the kick. If you are, it might be a simple case of turning the drums up a little (or for better practice, turning everything else down). They say as a starting point, your kick, which should be the loudest part of a mix, should be peaking at around -6 dB. Base everything else around that. That will give you plenty of headroom.

I also feel like the drop bass is a little unclear. As a non-electronic musician, I couldn't really say how to fix it. Just pointing out the symptoms, not the cure I guess.

I do like the chord progression. Figured I'd throw in some positive feedback along with my criticism. As an orchestral musician, if it were me, I would vary the velocities and placement (random quantize)on the piano, but I know dance music is a little more accepting of unrealistic pianos, so if it was a choice then I suppose it doesn't matter.

Pretty strong WIP, just needs some tuning up c: Ask around for better feedback. Two people who really know their mixing are HMage and Lavender Harmony. Try asking them about it.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 25 Jun 2013 10:14

CaptainFluffatun wrote:
LutariFan wrote:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42355773/Output%201-2.mp3

Okay nice, because I really need feedback on this.

Haven't made an outro yet but working on it.

Before I begin it should be noted that I am primarily an orchestral musician, and that everything I say is subject to my stupidity.

I feel like the drums could be a little more clear in the mix. Make sure you're EQing all of your low-end stuff very carefully to give room for the kick. If you are, it might be a simple case of turning the drums up a little (or for better practice, turning everything else down). They say as a starting point, your kick, which should be the loudest part of a mix, should be peaking at around -6 dB. Base everything else around that. That will give you plenty of headroom.

I also feel like the drop bass is a little unclear. As a non-electronic musician, I couldn't really say how to fix it. Just pointing out the symptoms, not the cure I guess.

I do like the chord progression. Figured I'd throw in some positive feedback along with my criticism. As an orchestral musician, if it were me, I would vary the velocities and placement (random quantize)on the piano, but I know dance music is a little more accepting of unrealistic pianos, so if it was a choice then I suppose it doesn't matter.

Pretty strong WIP, just needs some tuning up c: Ask around for better feedback. Two people who really know their mixing are HMage and Lavender Harmony. Try asking them about it.


Okay, thanks!
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby CaptainFluffatun » 25 Jun 2013 10:39

LutariFan wrote:Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... peggio.mp3

I feel like it's drowning out the other leads, but that might just be me...

I guess be careful with your EQ. I can't listen right now, but based on your description, careful EQ and careful volume balancing should do the trick. I imagine you want the arp to be in the background, so not only would turning it down a little make the other leads more clear, it would also give you more headroom. Again, can't listen right now so I could be completely wrong.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby InC » 25 Jun 2013 16:31

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been around much lately, stuff happened, but I should be able to check in regularly from now on. Confirming pretty much every answer given so far, thanks for that. :)
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby Camsy » 25 Jun 2013 23:14

Just submitted my song, hopefully it's not too bad. I tried to upload the mp3 to my minus.com account but it kept telling me it was an invalid file type, so I eventually just switched to box.com and it uploaded fine on there.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby Fimbulin » 26 Jun 2013 05:04

LutariFan wrote:Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... peggio.mp3

I feel like it's drowning out the other leads, but that might just be me...


Maybe automate it so it gets a little bit (not much) quieter when it's playing the higher arps. I think it's just the volume that they are on that is making them stand out too much.

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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby DJ TATCM » 26 Jun 2013 10:21

LutariFan wrote:
Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... peggio.mp3

I feel like it's drowning out the other leads, but that might just be me...


I have to be honest, right now I'm scared that my humble piano solo is going to make it. This is fantastic!

Yeah, it's true that the kick could be a touch bigger, but based on experience from the previous charity album thingy, the judges aren't exactly too fond of that. When my song got through last time (which was a colossal surprise), I remember InC telling me that all the judges wanted less of a kick sound, and less bass in general. As I type this, I'm listening to the previous album on shuffle, and it seems that most (if not all) of the songs that made it through had about the same amount of kick/bass power as your current WIP. Listen to "Arcade Attitude" by Senjan (which I personally think is the closest song to yours, even though it's still pretty far off) to gauge where you are right now on that point.

If I have any criticism, it's that the static sweep white noise thing prior to the drop might be going a little too high on the frequency. For the first bar or so after the drop, this might be a problem, but after that, everything's fine. Perhaps pitch up the arpeggiator thing and then lower the volume a little to create even moar magic? Idk, I'm still really bad at producing, please take my comments with a grain of salt or whatever those old people say :lol:

Whoa, just got back to listening to the album, and I came across "Failure's Not an Option", and that one is loaded with bass. So I suppose you can bring up your kick, but just feel free to do whatever you feel like is best, because this one's bound to be in the final album :D
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 26 Jun 2013 11:56

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LutariFan wrote:
Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... peggio.mp3

I feel like it's drowning out the other leads, but that might just be me...


I have to be honest, right now I'm scared that my humble piano solo is going to make it. This is fantastic!

Yeah, it's true that the kick could be a touch bigger, but based on experience from the previous charity album thingy, the judges aren't exactly too fond of that. When my song got through last time (which was a colossal surprise), I remember InC telling me that all the judges wanted less of a kick sound, and less bass in general. As I type this, I'm listening to the previous album on shuffle, and it seems that most (if not all) of the songs that made it through had about the same amount of kick/bass power as your current WIP. Listen to "Arcade Attitude" by Senjan (which I personally think is the closest song to yours, even though it's still pretty far off) to gauge where you are right now on that point.

If I have any criticism, it's that the static sweep white noise thing prior to the drop might be going a little too high on the frequency. For the first bar or so after the drop, this might be a problem, but after that, everything's fine. Perhaps pitch up the arpeggiator thing and then lower the volume a little to create even moar magic? Idk, I'm still really bad at producing, please take my comments with a grain of salt or whatever those old people say :lol:

Whoa, just got back to listening to the album, and I came across "Failure's Not an Option", and that one is loaded with bass. So I suppose you can bring up your kick, but just feel free to do whatever you feel like is best, because this one's bound to be in the final album :D

Thanks a bagizzleton(that's a word now)! :D

I listened to your piano song, and it's great too! I'm sure it'll make it too :)
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby JSynth » 27 Jun 2013 16:44

Well, this is what I am currently working on:

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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 27 Jun 2013 22:25

JSynth wrote:Well, this is what I am currently working on:

SoundCloud is being a jerk

Any pointers?


If I'm not mistaken remixes aren't allowed... :/

But aside from that, I like this! Some of the vocals are a little bit off-beat or whatever you say, but eh, it's better than what I would get it xD

The combination of the synths and the beat in the intro are great, but there is one thing that irks me and that is the last note in the ~6 second melody loop thingy that you got there. I feel it's a little high.

It's a great start! :D
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby DJ TATCM » 28 Jun 2013 10:07

LutariFan wrote:If I'm not mistaken remixes aren't allowed... :/


Based on the previous album, I can confirm that this is false. Stars In Autumn remixed "Vicious Lies" by d.notive, so if you have permission, I see no reason not to do a remix. Unless you're like me. I suck at remixes.

EDIT:
Silly me, I forgot to type in my thoughts on the song! stupid...
Anyway, I also enjoyed this remix, Jasper. If I may comment, one thing that I noticed about it is that the drums are kind of plain. Maybe it's because it's a WIP, but it's just "kick hat snare hat" to me. A few reverse percussion one-shots and off-beat alternate snares never hurt nobody hun :D

The vocal chopping is far superior to my ability, so I won't comment too much, but try to make some sort of distinct, catchy melody to the chops. You have a neat melody, but it seems to be a lot of repeated notes. Shake it up! (I'm not too fond of that show.)

Last but not least, make sure to add a bass synth. The melodies and chord structure are pretty great, but when they move around (and they do that a lot) there's not really much to fall back on.

Other than that, love it! I also checked out your other stuff, and I really hope that you're planning on submitting an original track along with this one. Your Fade Away EP is stellar. :D
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 28 Jun 2013 10:30

DJ TATCM wrote:
LutariFan wrote:If I'm not mistaken remixes aren't allowed... :/


Based on the previous album, I can confirm that this is false. Stars In Autumn remixed "Vicious Lies" by d.notive, so if you have permission, I see no reason not to do a remix. Unless you're like me. I suck at remixes.

Oh. Well, nevermind then xD
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby InC » 28 Jun 2013 13:12

Remixes are allowed with the original author's permission, but we can't use material from the show, sorry.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 28 Jun 2013 13:28

InC wrote:Remixes are allowed with the original author's permission, but we can't use material from the show, sorry.

Ooooooh, that makes sense.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 28 Jun 2013 15:02

Okay, so, uh, updated WIP. With the arpeggio. Did some EQ'ing and added an outro. Tell me what you think :)

Also, made a name for it: "We'll Make It Through".

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... hrough.mp3
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby JSynth » 29 Jun 2013 07:08

DJ TATCM wrote:
LutariFan wrote:If I'm not mistaken remixes aren't allowed... :/


Based on the previous album, I can confirm that this is false. Stars In Autumn remixed "Vicious Lies" by d.notive, so if you have permission, I see no reason not to do a remix. Unless you're like me. I suck at remixes.


Indeed. I have been given permission by the original artist to submit the remix.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I wasn't the one to create the vocals, but I will see what I can tweak.

DJ TATCM wrote:Other than that, love it! I also checked out your other stuff, and I really hope that you're planning on submitting an original track along with this one. Your Fade Away EP is stellar. :D


Also, thanks, but I don't think that I will be submitting an original. My only song that is nearly done doesn't quite fit the theme of the album.
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby DJ TATCM » 29 Jun 2013 09:24

LutariFan wrote:Okay, so, uh, updated WIP. With the arpeggio. Did some EQ'ing and added an outro. Tell me what you think :)

Also, made a name for it: "We'll Make It Through".

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... hrough.mp3


I like very much! One thing that I have to comment though--I know that dance music is generally tolerant of unrealistic piano, but realistic piano, if possible, is even better! Now, normally, just random quantizing the piano would be enough, but, in this case, I feel like it could use even more. Particularly, in the intro, you have a lot of repeated notes. Being that I've played piano for 7-8 years (not straight of course, but you know what I mean), I can safely tell you without fear of sounding completely stupid that the note velocity has to increase with every note. You see it with classical music all the time--ostinato, although repetitive, has to have some sort of direction. Altering the intro piano to follow this rule will go a long, long way :D

Everything else after this break is completely optional and subject to my own stupidity with music production.

Other than that, I would have liked to have heard more reverb on the hit in that middle section, at around 1:15. The sound just sort of dissipates and I'm left with a bit too much of a silence before the main melody resurfaces again. In fact, the whole mix in general, I think, especially the piano, would benefit from a tiny bit more reverb.

I really like the outro. The piano is kept short, simple, and sweet, and is probably what makes this song a shoo-in for the album. A subtle sort of synth pad thing for the first eight bars might add even more, but what do I know? Maybe the reverb will cover that.

Keep in mind that this is all just a bunch of nitpicking on my part, and that you're definitely going to make the cut, likely as one of the first few opening tracks on the album! :D
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 29 Jun 2013 10:25

DJ TATCM wrote:
LutariFan wrote:Okay, so, uh, updated WIP. With the arpeggio. Did some EQ'ing and added an outro. Tell me what you think :)

Also, made a name for it: "We'll Make It Through".

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/423 ... hrough.mp3


I like very much! One thing that I have to comment though--I know that dance music is generally tolerant of unrealistic piano, but realistic piano, if possible, is even better! Now, normally, just random quantizing the piano would be enough, but, in this case, I feel like it could use even more. Particularly, in the intro, you have a lot of repeated notes. Being that I've played piano for 7-8 years (not straight of course, but you know what I mean), I can safely tell you without fear of sounding completely stupid that the note velocity has to increase with every note. You see it with classical music all the time--ostinato, although repetitive, has to have some sort of direction. Altering the intro piano to follow this rule will go a long, long way :D

Everything else after this break is completely optional and subject to my own stupidity with music production.

Other than that, I would have liked to have heard more reverb on the hit in that middle section, at around 1:15. The sound just sort of dissipates and I'm left with a bit too much of a silence before the main melody resurfaces again. In fact, the whole mix in general, I think, especially the piano, would benefit from a tiny bit more reverb.

I really like the outro. The piano is kept short, simple, and sweet, and is probably what makes this song a shoo-in for the album. A subtle sort of synth pad thing for the first eight bars might add even more, but what do I know? Maybe the reverb will cover that.

Keep in mind that this is all just a bunch of nitpicking on my part, and that you're definitely going to make the cut, likely as one of the first few opening tracks on the album! :D


Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42355773/Piano.mp3

Unrelated note: I showed my song to a girl I liked today, and she liked it a lot! She also hopes it makes it on the album :P I'm so happy
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby DJ TATCM » 29 Jun 2013 11:04

LutariFan wrote:Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42355773/Piano.mp3

Unrelated note: I showed my song to a girl I liked today, and she liked it a lot! She also hopes it makes it on the album :P I'm so happy


YES YES YES
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Re: Seeds of Kindness 3: A BEAUTIFUL HEART Charity Album

Postby LutariFan » 29 Jun 2013 14:39

DJ TATCM wrote:
LutariFan wrote:Something like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42355773/Piano.mp3

Unrelated note: I showed my song to a girl I liked today, and she liked it a lot! She also hopes it makes it on the album :P I'm so happy


YES YES YES
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