P-Dance: The Pony side of Hardstyle

[DiceOfficial]

Mmk, thanks for the answer !

[Diss Order]

but we are trying to ponify the hardstyle scene.

I hope you mean the other way around, because ponifying the hardstyle scene would be terrible. Also impossible.

[Nine Volt]

Hardstyling the pony scene?

[Diss Order]

Hardstyling the pony scene?

More hardstyle in the pony scene is better than more pony in the hardstyle scene. :l

Also, I guess I'll just dump this here. It's a little something I made 1½ year ago (back when my kickdesign was pretty awful).

I'm not releasing this myself, so just shout if you guys want to put it on the SoundCloud.

[Dub Shifterzz]

Hey guys! I haven't made a post in a long time so I thought I'd share a kick I've been working on for a few days. I made a quick remake of Wildstylez - Year of Summer in about an hour, I hope it doesn't sound too bad.
(And I do intend to use the kick in a upcoming song, just alot.. better, i guess)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/111328223/Kick%20Test.wav

[Diss Order]

@Dub Shifterzz: Synths sound a little dry and too short. Other than that: Nice!

I'm actually going to finish the Stampede thing I'm working on. First thing I will finish in over a year. It's still a major WIP, but here's a preview:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11909930/music ... de-wip.mp3

(Tweaked the kick A LOT, and also added an intro... which is also subject to A LOT of change )

[DiceOfficial]

I hope you mean the other way around, because ponifying the hardstyle scene would be terrible. Also impossible.

I think you misunderstood, parodying the hardstyle scene =/= transforming the hardstyle scene into a ponyfest.

More hardstyle in the pony scene is better than more pony in the hardstyle scene. :l

That's pretty much what the point is, not the other way around, just parodying it.
That or i've been badly informed, which i highly doubt.

As for your stampede project, that screech is neat ! I don't know what kind of filter/distortion/effects you put on it but it sounds awesome.

What are your influences ? Harddriver ? Digital punk ? Adaro ? Crypsis or maybe Chain reaction ?
Just curious.

Though the kick still needs some works imho. :v
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I made a quick remake of Wildstylez - Year of Summer in about an hour, I hope it doesn't sound too bad.
(And I do intend to use the kick in a upcoming song, just alot.. better, i guess)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/111328223/Kick%20Test.wav

Nice synth ! :3

I don't know if this was intended, but the kick seems awfully quiet to me, maybe you should turn it up a bit ?
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First thing I will finish in over a year.

Sounds like me. xD

[Diss Order]

Screech is 3xOsc, pitchbent to sound like an alarm, and then quite some distortion (camelphat) and EQ (MEqualiser by Melda).

Influences? Ummm... I dunno. I got the inspiration for the alarm screech from Frequencerz - Bitch, but that's about it I'd say.

Producers I like a lot of tracks of are B-Front (the dark moods in his solo tracks <3), Adaro, Crypsis, Frequencerz, Scope DJ, Isaac (his old stuff), Phuture Noize, Zany, The R3belz (they occasionally make spectacular kicks!), Activator, Radical Redemption, Omegatypez (they apply trance to hardstyle the right way), Audiofreq, most guys from Theracords, Digital Punk, Ran-D when he's not being a sellout... Probably a lot more, but these were the producers I could think of on such shor notice at 2:41am. A lot of inspiration comes from other genres as well, but I really cba making the list any longer than it is now.

Kick is fine imo. It might not sound much like a normal hardstyle kick because this one isn't made out of a 909, but it's made with 3xOsc.

Anyway, new update on the Stampede track I'm working on. Found myself some time to work on a climax. The second one in this case. There'll be a first climax, a short break, and then this short second one:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11909930/music ... climax.mp3

EDIT: The above part changed a lot already. I took a 30 minute break and then listened to it, and then I was like "Woah... No way, this is all sorts of bad". Kickpatterns and some other stuff changed. It sounded really weird. :/

But I guess that's what you get for making music all night...

EDIT2:

https://soundcloud.com/dissorder/climax-wip-stampede

[DiceOfficial]

ah, i meant frequencerz, not harddriver, derp.

"Frequencerz - bitch", heh ?

That would have been a perfect track but somehow the climax's synth manages to literally rape my ears.

B-Front, Adaro, Zany, Activator and Frequencerz can make some good stuff.
I never actually liked isaac, and i still don't.
The R3belz DOES make awesome kicks.
Digital Punk, Ran-D and Scope DJ are awesome

Ran-D being a sellout ?
When ? xD
As far as i know, there's plenty of hardstyle producers that are way more -mainstream- and 'commercial' in the scene.
*cough cough* Headhunterz signed to Ultra Records *cough cough*
I would say that ran-d is pretty 'normal' if we made a scale for that.

Kick with 3xOsc ? Why not just use a 909 kick ?

As for the climax, it's nice !
Just something with the synth bugs me even though i can't tell what it is.

___________ EDIT _________ v v v

It's been a while i'm here, i've posted a dozen of messages, and still no actual WIPs or finished tracks ? Time to change that !

I'm working on this track, that i will probably finish :

https://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-flaw-wip

I really should improve with analog synths, haha.
That's not the best melody i've ever done, but i wanted to try something darker than usual, and since i'm used to making Ran-D style melodies well... yeah. I'm more of a rawphoric dude. xD
I made all those sounds, excluding the sweeps and hits, clap and snares, of course. I did that sweep at the end with massive though, lol.

I still need to work a bit on the transitions, i guess.
And if you find the screeches crappy, that's probably because i've never been good at making them

Feedbacks would be much appreciated. :3

____EDIT 2____ vvv

http://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-flaw-wip-high-boosted

Yeah um... i reuploaded that when i heard that it needs a firetruck lot more highs. Nvm about the 1st one.

[Diss Order]

I never actually liked isaac, and i still don't.

Isaac is one of THE pioneers of hardstyle as we know it. On The Edge was an awesome track in 2002 and it still is in 2013. I knew Isaac from his Trance music at the time (he used to make some Trance in the 90s and make mixalbums, I recently found a trance yearmix from year 2000 mixed by Isaac in my cd collection), and when I heard On The Edge back in '02 I was at first really puzzled, I never heard hardstyle before, but after a few weeks I REALLY started digging the sound, and then I also started listening to stuff by Lady Dana, Pavo, Scott Project, Pila, Tom X, Deepack, etc... So yeah, Isaac basically introduced me to Hardstyle. And his early hardstyle sets are still <3

Ran-D being a sellout ?
When ? xD
As far as i know, there's plenty of hardstyle producers that are way more -mainstream- and 'commercial' in the scene.
*cough cough* Headhunterz signed to Ultra Records *cough cough*
I would say that ran-d is pretty 'normal' if we made a scale for that.

Actually I've met Willem (Headhunterz) in person on several occasions and I honestly believe that he makes the music he wants to make with little to no regard to what would be commercially the most profitable.

He's been active since 2006 and climbed his way up by having his own sound, and kept evolving his own sound. It's not 'Headhunterz went mainstream', but 'mainstream became Headhunterz'. Tbh, if Kaskade, Hardwell, Nicky Romero or Zedd would turn to me for a remix of their music, I'd say yes right away.

And he made the track Dragonborn because he seriously loves the game Skyrim. Pretty much like we make brony music because we really like My Little Pony...

Don't get me wrong, Ran-D makes AWESOME tracks. His remix of Crump is phenomenal, and at the time when the original Crump came out I thought it was impossible to ever improve it, but he did. Feel My Fire is another awesome, unique, typical Ran-D track. But his tracks like #MyWay (really... hashtag my way? and with THOSE vocals? and the typical nu-style donkey rollers kick? it's formula made commercialism...) and Living For The Moment lack all creativity, originality and passion in my opinion...

Kick with 3xOsc ? Why not just use a 909 kick ?

Because I want to practice making oscillator based kicks. Some really great hardcore (and also some raw hardstyle) kicks are oscillator based rather than 909 sample-based, and I just felt like expanding my horizon.

EDIT: Took some time to try pitching the kick and this is what I came up with:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11909930/music/PITCHTEST.mp3 thoughts?

[DiceOfficial]

Isaac is one of THE pioneers of hardstyle as we know it.

Honestly ? In the pioneers category, even if he isn't that good, i still prefer the prophet.

Oh and Deepack has always made amazing tracks, and he still does.

Maybe isaac made good stuff back then, but i find his tracks now way too cheesy, i'm not even going to talk about the pop vocals that has started to piss me off in the HS scene since last year.

So yeah, Isaac basically introduced me to Hardstyle. And his early hardstyle sets are still <3

Trance generator actually got me into hardstyle, i've always been wondering why he isn't more popular... and his record, FSC, seems pretty much dead. Too bad, there was some neat stuff on it.
That, or i'm just looking in the wrong place.

But the really first hard dance track i ever heard was a jump track made by the R3belz, i think.
Can't tell if i started to listen to hardcore or hardstyle then, before completely getting addicted to hardstyle

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As for HHZ, don't misunderstand me, i like the tracks you mentionned, but i really can't stand that he signed to ultra records.
The only things i didn't like is, as i said before, the pop vocals in the Zedd remix.
His kicks keeps getting softer, too.
I found the track with malukah terrible.
But i loved dragonborn, cause not only was the track awesome, but i'm a good skyrim fan aswell.

But his tracks like #MyWay (really... hashtag my way? and with THOSE vocals? and the typical nu-style donkey rollers kick? it's formula made commercialism...) and Living For The Moment lack all creativity, originality and passion in my opinion...

...Seriously ? I hate like, 90% of the vocalists in hardstyle, and Ran-d is one of the rare vocalists that i find appealing, with the rock-ish vocals. I find his voice amazing, lyrics aren't that bad, i don't see what's the big deal about a hash tag, and i don't hear a kick like Ran-d's everyday, which i find better than most of the other kicks in the scene.

Maybe i'm just a fanboy, or the style in my way just suits my tastes, and not yours but... naaaah.
I've heard dozen and dozen of tracks with much more lame kicks and vocals/vocalists. xD
Living for the moment... you're talking about the old or new one...? Because i find the old one really good.

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Otherwise, the kick pitching is good to me. Nothing seems wrong with it. :v

Simple question, would you feel like making a collab with me someday..?

https://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-possible-wip
Made that melody and synths, how does it sounds ?
Kinda generic pattern though.

[Diss Order]

Honestly ? In the pioneers category, even if he isn't that good, i still prefer the prophet.

Even though he's been at it for a long time, he didn't mean much to the hardstyle scene in its early days, if at all... At least in my opinion. He was just 'there'. Early releases of Scantraxx are also mostly Jump/Tek and SOME Hardstyle. At the time I knew him from the Hardcore scene more than anything anyway... Wasn't until a few years later that he started becoming a bigger player in the scene.

Even as a label I still detest Scantraxx. Producers there hardly have the freedom over the creative process they would like. A recent example: Adrenalize had to add vocals to his releases to make them more commercial. I'm not even making this up...

EDIT: About your synth pattern thingy, to me it sounds like it would work better at a higher bpm. It also sounds a little too dry, you could perhaps eq it a bit (more mid/highs) and then crank up the reverb/delay, and see where that gets you.

About collabing: I'm afraid not. Not in the near future anyway. I got a crapton of work to do until August for my art acadamy, and I don't want to get kicked out.

[DiceOfficial]

Mmmokay. Well, thanks, and good luck with your work. xD

In the meantime, i'll try to improve my kick, i still can't make a punch that sounds correct.

[ScarabOfficial]

PONYTRAXX! GOOD GOD SOMEONE SIGN ME TO THAT LABEL
I see this page has been around for a few months. I am surprised I didn't know about it sooner.
Anyway here is my latest hardstyle piece: https://soundcloud.com/scarabofficial/kick-demo

[DJMischief]

PONYTRAXX! GOOD GOD SOMEONE SIGN ME TO THAT LABEL
I see this page has been around for a few months. I am surprised I didn't know about it sooner.
Anyway here is my latest hardstyle piece: https://soundcloud.com/scarabofficial/kick-demo

I like the melody, this is a good start.
My friend thought that the kick was off a bit in the 2nd half, and your synth could need some improvement. The main thing here you need to do, is to work on your kick. Go watch DJ Beatlifter's tuts on youtube with his kick, and this video on the little improvements to make your kick better. Sometimes combining 2 kicks together can give you good results, maybe if it's just the tok of the 2nd one you layered. Plus, lowering the volume about 3db right after the tok, and before the tail (beatlifter tells you about it in more detail) really gives it a nice sound, distinguishing the tok from the rest of the kick. He actually got the technique from one of headhunterz's livestreams.
Thanks for contributing, and I'd like to see a full track from you at some point!

[DiceOfficial]

[COMPLETE EDIT]

Hey, 1/2 of Manehunterz here.

Disregard the previous message i wrote, this time, i decided to edit my very first track (which isn't featured on SC) and publish it here :

https://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-breeze-2013-vip-edit

Might go on Ponytraxx. :3

[Diss Order]

I'mma just go ahead and repost this here:

Yeah, this only took about 3 months of the little free time I've got aside of my 2d animation education...

I hate not having time for anything ._.

Anyway, here we go. Sound the alarms, there's a stampede incoming! IMPENDING DOOOOM!
CLICK HERE, OR RIGHT CLICK/SAVE AS, OR WHATEVER!

Feedback is welcome, etc. etc. etc...

EDIT: Just to be sure, please don't spread this around. This might get an official release later this year. So that also means: Please don't upload it to the soundcloud.

[DiceOfficial]

Nice track !

I love the screeches, the synths, melody, filters and the build up.

Not a fan of the kick's attack and something feels like it's "missing" to me, i don't know why.

But appart from that, it's excellent.

Also, here's a WIP i'm working on :

https://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-luminescent-wip

[DJMischief]

I'mma just go ahead and repost this here:

Yeah, this only took about 3 months of the little free time I've got aside of my 2d animation education...

I hate not having time for anything ._.

Anyway, here we go. Sound the alarms, there's a stampede incoming! IMPENDING DOOOOM!
CLICK HERE, OR RIGHT CLICK/SAVE AS, OR WHATEVER!

Feedback is welcome, etc. etc. etc...

EDIT: Just to be sure, please don't spread this around. This might get an official release later this year. So that also means: Please don't upload it to the soundcloud.

Would listen to if link wasn't broken.

[Challa]

Also, here's a WIP i'm working on :

https://soundcloud.com/diceofficial/dice-luminescent-wip

I think the kick could use a more hard-hitting punch. The screeches and sounds in the intro are pretty interesting and cool. The melody lead sounds a bit loud and dry, maybe try adding some bigger reverb on it.

[Diss Order]

Would listen to if link wasn't broken.

The track is in my signature too, just click play or hit download.

[DiceOfficial]

I think the kick could use a more hard-hitting punch. The screeches and sounds in the intro are pretty interesting and cool. The melody lead sounds a bit loud and dry, maybe try adding some bigger reverb on it.

You're right, the kick's punch is a problem, that's one of my main flaws when it comes to making a 909 distorted kick, i have no idea how to make a really good sounding punch and i always end up with a weird bad annoying clicky attack instead. I can improve it, but not totally fix it so...

Any tips for the punch/tok/attack would be much appreciated

Though, i'm actually working on what will possibly be a new kick, and the punch will most likely be about 20% harder.

As for the Melody's lead, i'll try to tweak the reverb, then again, it's just a wip.

I don't think the lead is too loud, but rather the kick that isn't loud enough, though i might be wrong.

But thanks for the feedback !

[DJMischief]

Would listen to if link wasn't broken.

The track is in my signature too, just click play or hit download.

I agree with Challa, The kick sounds too... House-ish to me. Meh, maybe it's just me, i've been listening to too much electro in the beginnings of Kutski's sets on Keeping The Rave Alive.
Also, yeah, synth could be a bit more airy with reverb. Love the screech.

[Vdragon]

tried my hand:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4e4l3ielfs5p1i1
Am i doing it the wrong way?
http://www.mediafire.com/?6474risxa72t5kw
(flp)

[Diss Order]

I'm going to hit the studio with mister Theracords himself, Dj Thera, and I'll see what I can learn from this master of gated kicks, raw beats, mixing/mastering and great energetic tracks. And then I'll share what I can if possible.