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Re: EqD Music

Postby Motivfs » 19 Mar 2013 03:46

Motivfs wrote:
Now as I said before, I don't care for exposure for myself, but in the standpoint for others, EqD Music will not have the same influx of people as EqD itself does, therefore songs will not get as much recognition as before, EqD music is hot right now because it's new, but it will simmer down. I believe that they should, if not keeping the MoTD, make Music of the Week, and put I don't know... The top 15-20 songs that were not spotlighted in a post? I don't think they should keep it posted each day because as I said, I believe the voting will die down pretty quickly, but heres hoping I'm wrong.




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What I think would work best (IMO) is if this site becomes a repository and database for brony music, sort of like derpibooru or fimfiction. From here, EqD should announce the top songs of the day/last few days (with any songs up for spotlight removed) either in its own post or as part of nightly round-up or something, or keep Music of the Day. Also, it would be nice if EqD would give more support to things like Toastbeard (at least announce the winner or something) and other music contests, but that really isn't part of this discussion. (Wow. I was pretty much ninja'd by Motivfs. Great minds clearly think alike)



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Re: EqD Music

Postby Genkar » 19 Mar 2013 04:16

Seth actually just posted a new MotD last night, he says he's keeping it going until EqDM gets stabalized, so at least he's not fully ignoring the fact that the site's completely broken right now.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Ptepix » 19 Mar 2013 09:10

You know what I hate. People saying they don't care about exposure to sound cool. That's really annoying. Because everybody wants to be recognized for their efforts unless they didn't put forth any effort. So unless you didn't put out any effort, don't say you don't care about recognition.
People have this high and lofty idea that if you don't care about recognition, you are cool. If you don't care about your stuff being recognized at all, do you even really care about making music?



Anyway to my actual point:

What did it matter if it took more time to view? It still generated more views that the crap system that EqDM has. The coding doesn't even work yet, the idea isn't even well thought out yet, and so far the system has only worked to promote popular artists.

If it took longer for people to view MotD, it still worked. Any song I get in MotD usually gets 2000+ views.
OFC it is to promote lesser know artists. Are lesser know artists like filth?

And my last main point. WHO WANTS TO FOLLOW A NEW SITE?
Seriously. EQD is like the super-hub for everything pony. Who wants another site to patrol? Nobody. My guess is the site will be popular for a month or two then it will die out. People will stop checking it. Only musicians will be going to it....but only to see if their song was up-voted. Having a separate site is a hassle to browse through. People are lazy. They like being handed what is good...not having to listen through a bunch of songs to see if it is good.

I mean seriously. If MotD takes too long to listen to...who is going to want to listen through ALL songs submitted that day huh? Then they have to browse not only songs that would have made it on MotD...but also the crap songs that didn't (not saying all songs that don't make MotD are crap).
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Re: EqD Music

Postby MYCUTIEMARKISAGUN » 19 Mar 2013 11:20

"gets all stabalized with the voting and stuff"

.....hey how about waiting until it isn't a f***ing creaky beta, man? Limiting the songs to 2013 is a cheap stopgap that doesn't address the real problems: no quality control, rewards what's already popular, does nothing for The Have-Nots.

PhillyPu wrote:Whereas if MotD had 20 songs, and say a person listened to three minutes most for each song, they would be spending an entire hour.


It doesn't take people 3 minutes to figure out whether they like a song or not. And they usually won't listen to ones labelled as belonging to genres they dislike.

PhillyPu wrote:If MotD is really a method for "lesser-known musicians" (I hate that term) to gain "exposure", to be bunched up with 19 other people doesn't cut it.


Yes it does. Because you're bunched up with 19 other people on THE PORTAL OF THE FANDOM.

Amen I say to you, Derpy Hooves News could embed your song at the top of their site for a fortnight and that wouldn't get you the eyeballs that a MotD would.

Genkar wrote:Seth actually just posted a new MotD last night


Yeah, but did you notice how he keeps talking like it won't be needed soon because EQDmusic will be hunky dory in a week?

Seth wants to exterminate MotD guise. He's tired of having to worry about 30+ music submissions per day. EQD's fanfic process is already basically a publishing company now, he doesn't want to add "Record Label A&R department" to the list of EQD's duties. We should be thankful that he's even being nice enough to try building a music portal as some sort of replacement. We are utterly dependent on his mercy. He could Pontius Pilate his hands of us completely, say no more music on EQD period, and no-one would miss us. We'd have to swallow it like "YES SIR". WE ARE SETHISTO'S CRYSTAL SLAVES.

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Re: EqD Music

Postby Motivfs » 19 Mar 2013 13:23

Ptepix wrote:You know what I hate. People saying they don't care about exposure to sound cool. That's really annoying. Because everybody wants to be recognized for their efforts unless they didn't put forth any effort. So unless you didn't put out any effort, don't say you don't care about recognition.
People have this high and lofty idea that if you don't care about recognition, you are cool. If you don't care about your stuff being recognized at all, do you even really care about making music?



Not too sure what you mean about not caring about recognition makes you think you're cool.

I don't care about it because I'm not good enough to care about it yet, that's why I've given myself a goal first, when I reach that goal, maybe I'll care more about recognition.

Saying I don't put any effort into my music, nor care about it because I don't care to be recognized at this point and time, is a slap to the face. I really don't see where you are getting this whole idea from.

Some people do have different mindsets when approaching music production and squeaking into exposure/popularity. Everyone likes a little recognition for there work here and there, I won't say I don't, but it's not the target I have in mind right now.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Nine Volt » 19 Mar 2013 14:10

I get where he's coming from. A lot of people (not necessarily you) seem to say that kind of stuff because they tend to think it makes them look cool... it's hard to explain :3

So this sight seems to be an ongoing train wreck...
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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 19 Mar 2013 15:10

I don't know guys... You have to remember that EqDM is still in the beta phase, so there are a lot of kinks and twists to work out before it'll become functional. I see nothing wrong with what EqDM will come out to be.

First off, it allows you to submit content and then let the people vote on it. The people themselves are the quality control. They won't just upvote songs willynilly, as a lot of you guys seem to be implying by saying "there's no quality control"

Second, I'm certain that they're working out a system to make sure that only the artist can submit his song, not anybody else. I don't think they anticipated a problem like this when they came up with the idea.

Third, it'll give everybody a chance to advertise their work. I'm not sure why you guys seem to think this is such a bad idea, because from what I inferred, you all seem to think that people who choose to listen to some songs on EqDM will be forced to listen to all the songs submitted that day. As for songs getting buried beneath new submissions, let me prove that wrong, and explain why that won't happen very often.
- The new submissions will have genres, so people can just sort through the new submissions, looking genres they like and listening to them.
- the songs on the "new submissions" list will be ordered from newest at the top to oldest at the bottom. They can just scroll down the list until they get to the songs from the previous day.
- the only songs that will go unnoticed are the ones with cliche titles and cliche wallpapers. How often is it that when you're looking through a list you notice the unoriginal items but not the new items, unless the unoriginal items strongly outnumber the original items?

So right now I feel like Fluttershy from "Keep calm and flutter on" or whatever that episode was. I see a lot of potential in this, but I also see none of you guys giving this a chance. Just give EqDM some time, it'll take some time for the crew of coders working on this site to sort out all the bugs and problems, but once they do get it all sorted and fixed, it'll be pretty good, I'm telling you.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Nine Volt » 19 Mar 2013 16:05

So why did they launch the site if it's in such shit state?
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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 19 Mar 2013 16:13

I don't know, I think it was just poor planning on their part. I'm pretty certain that they didn't release it in the state it is and plan on never making repairs :lol:

Seriously though, once they work out the bugs, I'm going to say that this site will be really good.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby cplbradley » 19 Mar 2013 17:32

This whole site will be a failure. The music community is fucked anyways.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 19 Mar 2013 17:35

True, the golden age of pony music is long over, but there are still some fairly talented people making music, and there are some songs that get pretty far even today. Also, that kind of negative attitude over something that has potential and just hasn't shown it yet is bad for you. You'll die young with an attitude like that.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby MYCUTIEMARKISAGUN » 19 Mar 2013 19:42

"golden age of pony music"

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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 19 Mar 2013 20:06

I'm referring to the time when pony music was pretty new and the big names got their names out there, and pony music became really popular. Not sure what you thought I meant.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby cplbradley » 19 Mar 2013 21:06

don't judge me.

also unless i'm proven wrong somehow, i'm sticking with the belief that the website is a bust
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Applejinx » 20 Mar 2013 02:19

It may be worth quitting pony music and doing just, you know, MUSIC music. :/

I know the folks who like my stuff like it, but that website sure doesn't, to the point that it was a waste of time even entering in my youtube stuff. This is not a way to find new listeners, unless something happens to change my mind about that. I've had considerably better luck with Equestria Daily itself...
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Rainbowdutch » 20 Mar 2013 04:27

Guys

1. CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!

It is still in beta, of course it is not gonna work out the way it should right away. The reason why we released it in this unstable state is to stress test it. See what the biggest problems are we apparently all overlooked while the site was still in alpha. Right now eqdmusic is still an idea that we are trying to achieve by building the site around it. Judging by the earlier posts in this thread I can see that most of you are in favor of the idea as well. What is happening right now is that hypermark and knighty (creator of fimfiction) are fixing the flaws that are in the way.

We know the site was still broken when we released it. We just didn't know how broken it was and what exactly had to be fixed.

That is the reason why we are not axing motd right away and waiting until the site works before we get rid of it. Also for the people who wanna know there are gonna be "top x songs of today" posts on eqd, that was the plan right from the beginning.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 20 Mar 2013 05:46

Rainbowdutch wrote:Everything Rainbow Dutch said
See? I told you guys that this site has a ton of potential! Now I can laugh in your faces!

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Re: EqD Music

Postby Freewave » 20 Mar 2013 09:37

Gray Ham wrote:"We will be keeping the music of the day posts going while EQD Music gets all stabalized with the voting and stuff. If you want to keep up with the updates over there, check out the Site Updates section.
We are thinking of limiting the top lists to 2013 onward. What do you guys think of that idea? It would keep the top day/week/year stuff fresh at least." -Sethisto


Rainbowdutch wrote:That is the reason why we are not axing motd right away and waiting until the site works before we get rid of it. Also for the people who wanna know there are gonna be "top x songs of today" posts on eqd, that was the plan right from the beginning.


Ok I just gotta ask WHY is their this shift of EQD to get rid MOTD? It has been the best single thing for every smaller to medium size musician to try to compete with popular musicians who already have tons of subscribers, already likely get the music feature spots, and don't need the aditional EQD help to begin with. It has been a way for musicians to get their music seen and heard with view volumes only a bit below the features. It has been the best improvement of EQD since the listeners came in for quality control. IF there are still going to be listeners listening to music submissions for the features, why get rid of Music of the Day and putting the "runners up" on MotD. Also you are asking that listeners stop using the main site for new tracks which i think will really not occur. People like a one-stop shop of EQD's current site and blog style. I do not understand why EQD wants to get rid of their best music feature. We AS the musicians making this music really need to know that. :|

This new site may be good as an additional tool ONCE the bugs are worked out, to function as some sort of derpibooru or pandora type thing for music and also to give people some ability to search for past tracks and some new ones and as another way to let people decide whats good by popular vote (something that normally happens anyway after people listen to a track on motd) but i don't see HOW this EQDMusic is designed for NEW music if they are allowing old established tracks to get on there, and additions quickly drown out each other, and if it's only going to succeed through popular vote (or it won't even be viewable). If you're going to roll out a replacement you have to make sure it functions better then what you have before and MOTD was not broken. In fact it was one of the best things to keep the music community happy and thriving with as many people as there are now. By all means I can give EQDMusic a try once the bugs are worked out but i do NOT see why MOTD should go, why Seth and company say it needs to, and how it's designed to BE an effective replacement. Can you or anyone from EQD please explain?
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Ptepix » 20 Mar 2013 10:22

itroitnyah wrote:
Rainbowdutch wrote:Everything Rainbow Dutch said
See? I told you guys that this site has a ton of potential! Now I can laugh in your faces!

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No. Because non of the issues I have pointed out have been fixed. He only mentioned site coding issues. Not concept issues.

I still have problems with how it is working so far.

IF it was a stress test they could have idk maybe done a sign up beta? Or some sort of less open beta. If they didn't want flak they definitely should have not made it an open beta.
The concept still is all there...so again, no you cannot laugh in my face :P
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Freewave » 20 Mar 2013 11:33

PhillyPu wrote:Can somebody fill me in as to why MotD shouldn't be removed? (impeding shit-storm coming starboard side~) I personally don't think we can compare MotD to Drawfriends considering that it takes a lot less time to appreciate each drawing than it is to appreciate each song. If Drawfriends had 20 images, it would take, what, 10 minutes tops to go through (that's an average of half a minute for each drawing, and I'm pretty most people don't even take that long to look at every drawing). Whereas if MotD had 20 songs, and say a person listened to three minutes most for each song, they would be spending an entire hour.

If MotD is really a method for "lesser-known musicians" (I hate that term) to gain "exposure", to be bunched up with 19 other people doesn't cut it. While the current system for EQD Music does look broken, to be seen on the "new music of the day" would be enough to jump start anyone's video to the point where if the song is mind-blowingly awesome, it would spread by word-of-mouth (I personally believe this is the main method by which people gain "popularity"). I do agree there needs to be some sort of quality control in place, and would elevate EQD Music to be a much better place to look for new, fresh pony-related music, much more than the current EQD system of irregular blog updates.

That's, again, my two pence. I expect some reaction to my response, but I'd like to discuss this in a civil manner as well.


Its fair to answer this in whole.

MOTD benefits not only the small but also larger brony musicians too. It's really not an "unrecognized musicians" pitty party. These are the good tracks from the community for the day. There's only 145 musicians with ytubes subs over 1,000 and only 52 have more than 5,000 (with 4 musicians at above 10x that). Everyone else (multiple hundreds) fall below that. I really don't know what qualifies a midtier musician in this community anymore. But each artist that doesn't below a certain amount won't have a lot of a "fanbase" as a default to get heard. But each artist on MOTD has put out a track that was MLP oriented and good enough quality to get by the listeners. They all deserve a chance TO be heard. Most MOTD spotlights can get about 1,000 listens in a week and they can take off from there if its a superior track. Without it that music wouldn't even be on the shelves to be heard by the community and would have a much small fraction of that number by default. That's why it benefits the artists.

While MOTD DOES have a lot of music it does allow people to see the genres, see the artists, see the track topics, and images (such as characters involved). If people don't want to hear an Orchestral track, a Dubstep track, or a Vocal Pop Track they'll move on. People get to choose a lot just on the way EQD displays the music. If they hear a few seconds and say "yuck, thats not what i want" they can move on to the next. No one is listening to 20 tracks in a row in its entirety unless they are a true die-hard or a pre-listener (and then they also hear the rejects too and only focus on a few min). Listeners might be checking to see what artists they recognize and focus on those (allowing for those who show up with good tracks consistently to get repeat listens and to build a "fanbase"). Either way this is the "Music of the Day" for EQD and for the community as a WHOLE, it represent exactly what WE have to offer them, and its up to the fans to decide what they like and don't. It's also archived like the rest of EQD is, so that people can show up and backtrack if they weren't on the site on a given day. It's ON EQD (not a sister site) because everything that's pony related is on the main site. Bronies don't have to show up every day but you can always see what the newest good tracks from the community are or from the days or weeks before. That's why it benefits the listeners.

That's also why i do not want to see MOTD go unless ANY replacement really can replace ALL of those awesome features. I don't see that EQDMusic is set up to even attempt half the things there. If it does something different that's not a bad thing and I'm up for additional sites to make it easier for people to find music they want to hear, but do not axe something that IS working for a large majority of the community, listeners and musicians for new music. Why would that be a good thing? :|
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Re: EqD Music

Postby JSynth » 20 Mar 2013 11:50

^^^^^^
What freewave said.

Now to what I was saying:

Looks like they have posted some future features that they want to add in.
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-A proper about page
-Search box (a lot of people have asked for this... It's kind of silly not having it)
-Categories page will have additional sorting options, such as sorting by date, artist, popularity etc., and browsing only show remixes and remixes of particular songs


All good things.

-Top songs will be reserved for songs made in 2013 onward


^^This. This is exactly what we need.

-Top songs this month


Good. Not much else to say about this.

-Some artists don't want their songs on here, so for them, a future blacklist will be instated


I find that interesting. I wonder how this is going to work.

-A widget for EQD


Now this is what I am curious about. I am going to see what I can find out about this.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Rainbowdutch » 20 Mar 2013 12:30

Making it community driven will make it attract more people than motd

The entire concept is still the same as the current. You get your top songs who will come 1st, and 2nd of that day and then you get your runner ups aka the motd tier posts.

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Re: EqD Music

Postby Rainbowdutch » 20 Mar 2013 12:32

Also I love how everyone is praising motd into heaven while people where just as skeptical when it was introduce.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby Freewave » 20 Mar 2013 14:02

Rainbowdutch wrote:Also I love how everyone is praising motd into heaven while people where just as skeptical when it was introduce.


Give us a little more credit then that. Some people were seeing motd as a great move as soon as it emerged. It was definitely needed. There's no reason to look at what we're putting in this thread as legitimate critique as us whinging. We're giving some solid concerns of going from a fair system to one that shows some tracks briefly before they completely disappear from view. We were not involved in any beta testing, we were notified of something coming, we were not asked if we wanted changes. You bring in a buggy new site that doesn't fit the same goals and then you say it's going to replace the good one. Is that our fault?

Rainbowdutch wrote:Making it community driven will make it attract more people than motd

The entire concept is still the same as the current. You get your top songs who will come 1st, and 2nd of that day and then you get your runner ups aka the motd tier posts.

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I definitely look forward to further elaboration. I also want to play with the site more myself, upload a track or two, and get a second look before i sell it short, but i think we need a backstory on what this site is going is really going to match all the things that motd does currently.
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Re: EqD Music

Postby itroitnyah » 20 Mar 2013 14:04

Ptepix wrote:No. Because non of the issues I have pointed out have been fixed. He only mentioned site coding issues. Not concept issues.

I still have problems with how it is working so far.

IF it was a stress test they could have idk maybe done a sign up beta? Or some sort of less open beta. If they didn't want flak they definitely should have not made it an open beta.
The concept still is all there...so again, no you cannot laugh in my face :P
It really bugs me when people expect problems to be fixed instantaneously, as you seem to think they should. Unfortunately, programmers cannot just snap their fingers and fix problems with the site. Oh, you meant concept issues? Issues that they can only fix by coding? Well then. Anyways, they're doing as much as they can to fix concept errors and make the site good and definitely worth while.

Also, they can't do a "private" beta, because that would not work efficiently, because they won't get much feedback as quickly as an open beta, and therefore they cannot fix issues and the whole site is delayed and whatever.

Rainbowdutch wrote:Also I love how everyone is praising motd into heaven while people were just as skeptical when it was introduce.
Yes, this. So true.
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