EqD Music

[Mesogears]

OK, this site looked promising, now it's a dump. It's supposed to help lesser-known musicians get recognized, but right now it's so cluttered that this is practically impossible, and no quality control makes this even worse. Seriously, EqD, Music of the Day was fine; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[LoreRD]

I would greatly prefer if Music of the Day stayed on EqD (like most of the people here), but a lot of the early problems I saw with the website have (surprisingly) been fixed. The site in its current condition may not be a very good site to upload new songs onto at the moment (due to all the old tracks being uploaded), but a lot of genres have been added and the "top six" has been changed to a "today's top six", which is actually a pretty good idea. People will be more likely to check out stuff in the "new tracks" column and it's going to be far less of a circlejerk than what it first appeared. Kudos to the EqD for being on the ball here (at least more so than expected).

That being said: KEEP MUSIC OF THE DAY ON THE MAIN SITE. While a lot of people were apprehensive of MotD at first, it turned out to work really well for a LOT of musicians in the community. Getting rid of it, or moving it to a different website which will undoubtably get less traffic is just a stupid, stupid idea. It's not a broken system, don't remove one of the things that makes it work.

Overall, I'm more hopeful than I was when I first saw the announcement, but I'm still not 100% sold on the idea of this being an improvement if this means the end of MotD on the main site.

[Magnitude Zero]

I think it's pretty cool. As long as they keep rolling with spotlighting and MotD like they have been, and this remains separate from EqD itself, I don't see how this could possibly do more harm and good.

If its goal is to spotlight lesser-knowns as it claims, it has already failed miserably by making it entirely community-run - of course people are going to upvote the well-known songs! So, as a musician this does little to help me except maybe get a couple extra views from the "new submissions" feed, which in itself is kinda cool because, y'know, why not? But as a listener? I'm personally interested in seeing what the community believes are the best songs in the fandom.

It's not going to get you famous. Nothing will simply get you famous - we all know this. At the same time, it shouldn't affect the current system in any way. It's not going to make you NOT famous. Worst case scenario, the site becomes a ghost town and we're back to submitting solely to EqD and nothing's changed.

[Genkar]

I think it's pretty cool. As long as they keep rolling with spotlighting and MotD like they have been, and this remains separate from EqD itself, I don't see how this could possibly do more harm and good.

If its goal is to spotlight lesser-knowns as it claims, it has already failed miserably by making it entirely community-run - of course people are going to upvote the well-known songs! So, as a musician this does little to help me except maybe get a couple extra views from the "new submissions" feed, which in itself is kinda cool because, y'know, why not? But as a listener? I'm personally interested in seeing what the community believes are the best songs in the fandom.

It's not going to get you famous. Nothing will simply get you famous - we all know this. At the same time, it shouldn't affect the current system in any way. It's not going to make you NOT famous. Worst case scenario, the site becomes a ghost town and we're back to submitting solely to EqD and nothing's changed.

But the thing is... they got rid of MotD for this. If it turns out to be a flawed system, then all that's there is Spotlight Music, and then small musicians have nothing really. :/

[Magnitude Zero]

Oh well shit I missed that part. That's stupid. Why did they do that?

[Genkar]

I don't really know, I guess they thought it would be a good replacement to Music of the Day.

I'd be fine with the new system if they kept it, but because they got rid of it, it feels like they just kinda want to be done with music, which is pretty lame.

Hopefully they realize that they should've kept MotD going, because even if this new system does work out, MotD was a great thing, It was like a drawfriend for music. EqD music on the otherhand is more like a derpibooru, and that's not an incredibly equal exchange.

[Mesogears]

MotD was a great thing, It was like a drawfriend for music. EqD music on the otherhand is more like a derpibooru, and that's not an incredibly equal exchange.

This.

[Magnitude Zero]

That's what I get for skimming, I guess. But I'm still optimistic. Don't knock it 'til you try it, after all. Maybe they'll reopen MotD at some point anyway if eqdmusic doesn't work out.

[Pickslide1992]

Still, even if the bugs get fixed, I don't think I'll be using this until I hear that it actually works than being yet another avenue for the inescapable big name artists (Not that it's bad initially, but for a service that's supposed to be spotlighting lesser knowns, it's not working). That and my aversion to EqD in general (No offense meant to anyone here affiliated with them, I'm just not a fan of the site anymore)

[LoreRD]

My mistake, the genre system hasn't been fixed yet. .....*sigh*

[Gray Ham]

The same tracks that were voted up yesterday are getting voted up today.
lol

[ghelded_kultz]

My mistake, the genre system hasn't been fixed yet. .....*sigh*

I doubt it's going to be fixed any time soon (Or that it is even fixable in its current state/existence) Moving to an open tag based system, though...

[Ptepix]

Yeah....I gave up on this site on like...day 2. It hasn't been working except for to promote already popular artists. And it probably wont do anything more than that. It is a terrible system.

[Pickslide1992]

Yeah....I gave up on this site on like...day 2. It hasn't been working except for to promote already popular artists. And it probably wont do anything more than that. It is a terrible system.

Yeppers, you hit the nail on the head. Just no escaping them, I suppose. Then again my approach has been gaining momentum. Grassroots, people, it never fails.

Getting back on topic, yeah, MotD was a much better system for lesser knowns. This site, so far, is an epic fail.

[itroitnyah]

I think that what they need to do, to fix this problem, is they need to make it so that:

- The same song doesn't get posted more than once per [unit of time, probably only once ever, maybe once a month at the shortest]

-Other people can't post somebody else's songs (so some random person can't post a WoodenToaster song)

And to do these things, they'll need to have a system of checking songs before allowing them to be seen. A good solution would to be have the submissions go to a waiting list of "Songs waiting to be posted", where they can't be actually put up onto EqD Music until a mod approves the song being posted, and they'll have one or two people who can occasionally check the pool of songs being submitted and just hit "Accept" or "Decline". They wouldn't have to listen to the song or anything, just look at who's posting the song and the title of the song to make sure it hasn't been posted before and it's being posted by the artist him/herself.

[Ptepix]

I think that what they need to do, to fix this problem, is they need to make it so that:

- The same song doesn't get posted more than once per [unit of time, probably only once ever, maybe once a month at the shortest]

-Other people can't post somebody else's songs (so some random person can't post a WoodenToaster song)

And to do these things, they'll need to have a system of checking songs before allowing them to be seen. A good solution would to be have the submissions go to a waiting list of "Songs waiting to be posted", where they can't be actually put up onto EqD Music until a mod approves the song being posted, and they'll have one or two people who can occasionally check the pool of songs being submitted and just hit "Accept" or "Decline". They wouldn't have to listen to the song or anything, just look at who's posting the song and the title of the song to make sure it hasn't been posted before and it's being posted by the artist him/herself.

That might work slightly better...maybe

[itroitnyah]

Well don't just tell me whether you think it'll work or not, start listing flaws with my suggestions

[Ptepix]

Well don't just tell me whether you think it'll work or not, start listing flaws with my suggestions

Well...it should just be posted once ever. And there should be a age limit (i.e. 1 month).
So that way we don't have Wooden Toaster's IHG in the top 6. That is just stupid. As if that song isn't bloody popular enough XD


Posting other people's songs shouldn't be a problem...some people are too afraid to submit their own music.


The waiting list is an ok idea, they should still preview it briefly to make sure it wasn't a troll...the listeners would have to be very unbiased though. The pre-listeners for EqD are very biased, and judge a lot on the composition and all...that would be what the voting system is for. So...I feel they would have to start from scratch on the pre-listeners and get brand new people.


I also feel like it would take forever to see if it had been posted before. I mean at 10-15 submissions a day for 30 days...thats well over 300 songs you have to sift through to make sure it hadn't been posted before. The submission system should have the ability to recognize video links and names to make that slightly easier. Though I don't know if the coders for EqDM have that ability(I mean half the stuff doesn't work right now anyway).

[itroitnyah]

Hmm... Well, there doesn't necessarily need to be an age limit, since we can just categorize the top music based on time slots, such as "Top of the Day", "Top of the Week" and "All time Top", which they already have those up and running on EqDM.

Posting other people's songs is mostly a problem for the big ticket people who will evidently get their music posted by about 20 people every time they come out with a new song, lol.

I say they don't need to listen to it, and if it's a troll song, it'll get down voted into oblivion anyways. If you're so concerned that something horrible will come out of letting every song through, then perhaps they could add a "report song" button and people can report the songs that are either offensive (such as blatantly clop or about killing ponies or something), or are just plain hating music or whatever.

It wouldn't be that hard to make sure that a song isn't posted twice. There's a search function on EqDM, and if the person is unsure about whether he's seen the song before, then he can just search it up real quick. Of course, there are songs with cliche titles so there may be like 5 or so songs with the same title, so if the mod is having doubts then they can take a quick listen to the song to see if they recognize it. If they deny it and it actually hasn't been posted on there before, then the creator of the song can send EqDM an email explaining this and then get their song posted. There will also be more than just one mod

Which reminds me, another thing they can do with the submission thing is have a sort of "rejection" email thing, where when somebody submits they can enter their email as well if they choose, and if the song is rejected, they'll get an automatic reply email saying: this submission was rejected either because a) it's already been submitted, b) you are not the creator of the song, and do not have permission to submit the song or c) this song is [something that would make it not allowed], if you feel that this song's rejection is unjust or should not have been rejected because any of the reasons listed above is wrong, contact us at [email] and we will go over it in further detail or something like that.

[ghelded_kultz]

Where's the search function? All I can find is the "categories" button.

Anyway, the age limit is necessary (at least a nothing before March 2013), if they want to make this a site for new music, as opposed to a musical database/repository.

The waiting list seems like a decent idea though, if only for the fact I can use it as justification for a meta pony-parody of "Waiting Room" (Though as is it works fairly well).

Report song is a good idea too. In fact as much of a move to community moderated, the better.

[Gray Ham]

"We will be keeping the music of the day posts going while EQD Music gets all stabalized with the voting and stuff. If you want to keep up with the updates over there, check out the Site Updates section.
We are thinking of limiting the top lists to 2013 onward. What do you guys think of that idea? It would keep the top day/week/year stuff fresh at least." -Sethisto

[LoreRD]

Sounds like a much better solution to me ^^

[PhillyPu]

Can somebody fill me in as to why MotD shouldn't be removed? (impeding shit-storm coming starboard side~) I personally don't think we can compare MotD to Drawfriends considering that it takes a lot less time to appreciate each drawing than it is to appreciate each song. If Drawfriends had 20 images, it would take, what, 10 minutes tops to go through (that's an average of half a minute for each drawing, and I'm pretty most people don't even take that long to look at every drawing). Whereas if MotD had 20 songs, and say a person listened to three minutes most for each song, they would be spending an entire hour.

If MotD is really a method for "lesser-known musicians" (I hate that term) to gain "exposure", to be bunched up with 19 other people doesn't cut it. While the current system for EQD Music does look broken, to be seen on the "new music of the day" would be enough to jump start anyone's video to the point where if the song is mind-blowingly awesome, it would spread by word-of-mouth (I personally believe this is the main method by which people gain "popularity"). I do agree there needs to be some sort of quality control in place, and would elevate EQD Music to be a much better place to look for new, fresh pony-related music, much more than the current EQD system of irregular blog updates.

That's, again, my two pence. I expect some reaction to my response, but I'd like to discuss this in a civil manner as well.

[Motivfs]

I think it's the fact that the beta shouldn't even be classified as a beta, it's been so poorly planned out.

I might get flak for this by making EqD seem like some sort of deity, but I used the MotD not for exposure, but as a point where if I made it onto there, then I know that I have improved greatly and that my efforts have not gone to waste. Not to say that if I don't, that they have, just that I use it as a goal.

I think it is crucial, no, absolutely necessary they have quality control, as well as better moderation to the site, it's pretty brutal right now and makes this whole Beta look like pretty terrible, I understand they said to wait for the traffic flow to lighten up from the old music, and correct me if I'm wrong (As I might be, haven't tested it out posting my stuff yet), but can't people just post the same crap again and again?

Now as I said before, I don't care for exposure for myself, but in the standpoint for others, EqD Music will not have the same influx of people as EqD itself does, therefore songs will not get as much recognition as before, EqD music is hot right now because it's new, but it will simmer down. I believe that they should, if not keeping the MoTD, make Music of the Week, and put I don't know... The top 15-20 songs that were not spotlighted in a post? I don't think they should keep it posted each day because as I said, I believe the voting will die down pretty quickly, but heres hoping I'm wrong.

[ghelded_kultz]

MotD serves the purpose (of getting names out) better then this site does currently, which currently is a massive circle jerk of old famous brony songs, especially since the quality control is thumbs ups.

Yes Music of the Day takes longer for the participant than Drawfriend, but plenty of people still took some effort to listen to the ones that looked interesting (SUBMIT GENRES PEOPLE! MORE PEOPLE WILL CLICK YOUR SONG). Not to mention you can have music in the background while you do other things, so it isn't as time intensive on the consumer as one thinks.


What I think would work best (IMO) is if this site becomes a repository and database for brony music, sort of like derpibooru or fimfiction. From here, EqD should announce the top songs of the day/last few days (with any songs up for spotlight removed) either in its own post or as part of nightly round-up or something, or keep Music of the Day. Also, it would be nice if EqD would give more support to things like Toastbeard (at least announce the winner or something) and other music contests, but that really isn't part of this discussion. (Wow. I was pretty much ninja'd by Motivfs. Great minds clearly think alike)