EqD music changes

[ChromaticChaosPony]

But you're right, most people just don't have the time/attention span to listen to everything. But I think it was like that before, too. Anyone who cares will keep listening, and those who don't probably won't, no matter the system.

It has always been like that. People have always had short attention spans.

It just happens to be more evident in modern society.

[DjMidli]

Well I feel like anyone on the listener's side of this cares, they'll follow the music posts anyway because they want to hear the music. If anyone is being bothered by more music posts, I doubt they cared much about it in the first place..

Pretty much sums it up.

I see it as a win-win. For those producers just on the cusp of making it to eqd it gives them some exposure, for those who are music hungry it gives them a broader range of music to discover vis-a-vis EQD.

There will always be complainers RE: EQD and it's submission processes. Doesn't matter whether its art, fic, or music. It's a damn shame because instead of complaining they should go back and improve upon their craft. "Goofus vs Gallant" all over again for those who are familiar with the concept.

[itroitnyah]

People are going to complain no matter what EqD does, and I'm usually indifferent about changes that Equestria Daily makes, but I like this one.

[Sonarch]

People are going to complain no matter what EqD does

True that. What was the point of this thread again?

[CommandSpry]

Okay I took a look at how this works and, let's be straight here, nobody wants to be on the nightly 10+ list, at least 80% of people won't even take a look at that. On the other hand, the classic music posts are now far and in between and only 2 songs per post, and there will always be one established musician with lots of subs that manages to magically skip the queue so that leaves you about 1 chance per day or perhaps two in the case of two music posts to get featured like you used to. I don't know if anyone else sees any problems with this system.

[ghelded_kultz]

nobody wants to be on the nightly 10+ list

I don't get why you think that nobody wants to be on the list. Sure everybody would rather be on one of the classic posts, but they still are rejecting music that doesn't meet their standards/they don't like so it still is a significant enough to get on the music of the day.

As far as the concern about classic music posts, you are absolutely correct. This system won't fix the problem if they don't continues with what they were doing before. But if they were to have 3+ post with 3 songs in each like before, plus the music of the day posts, then this system would be fulfilling what it was supposed to do which is giving recognition to most everyone who takes to time to make music.

[CaptainFluffatun]

>Some music IS news

This is just EqD doing what they've always done - giving MicTheLivingToasterApp S. the highlight. I'm not complaining about being rejected. I've been on it a few times. I'm just saying it's not entirely fair when they start looking at who makes the song and not the song itself.

And I think you guys had a misconception. How I read it, they're only having ONE other post other than Music of the Day with this system, not 2-3.

[StevenAD]

Free attention? And I don't have to work as hard to get it anymore? Holy crap! Sign me up!

[CommandSpry]

trust me, the 10+ nightly list will barely get any traction. Well, don't trust me, I'd love to be proven wrong

[Magnitude Zero]

I have not but that's really going to be the key. Again I don't think there's anything wrong if people have to sift through the ok stuff to get the good stuff. It just means that those that aren't that great likely won't see subs or likes while those that are good will. Again if you go into a cd store a lot of it will be crap but that doesn't mean the store should be pre-screening what they put on their shelves. That's the consumers job to decide what's "good" and what's "bad" or what genres or quality people want to listen to. There's plenty of stuff that's popular that i don't like, and there's plenty of stuff that isn't that is good.

I see your point. I'll just wait and see what happens. I don't think it's a very good system, but I'd love to be proven wrong!

nobody wants to be on the nightly 10+ list

I don't get why you think that nobody wants to be on the list. Sure everybody would rather be on one of the classic posts, but they still are rejecting music that doesn't meet their standards/they don't like so it still is a significant enough to get on the music of the day.

As far as the concern about classic music posts, you are absolutely correct. This system won't fix the problem if they don't continues with what they were doing before. But if they were to have 3+ post with 3 songs in each like before, plus the music of the day posts, then this system would be fulfilling what it was supposed to do which is giving recognition to most everyone who takes to time to make music.

Personally I'd rather not get featured at all than to be featured in one of those music megaposts. I don't really go for the feature to get attention, just as confirmation that I actually made something worth posting. Those "music of the day" posts basically say to me "well, it's alright I guess, but not as good as these guys" and for whatever reason I guess I'd rather be told I straight up suck. Just a personal thing.

[CaptainFluffatun]

You know what I realized? Artists already deal with a 10+ list. Quit yo bitchin'.

[Magnitude Zero]

You know what I realized? Artists already deal with a 10+ list. Quit yo bitchin'.

Dude

it takes 0.5 seconds to take a look at a picture

it takes 3-5 minutes to listen to a song, and at least 20 seconds to just "preview" it.

[CaptainFluffatun]

You know what I realized? Artists already deal with a 10+ list. Quit yo bitchin'.

Dude

it takes 0.5 seconds to take a look at a picture

it takes 3-5 minutes to listen to a song, and at least 20 seconds to just "preview" it.

Doesn't mean it takes o.5 seconds to make it.

[Sonarch]

So, I'm confused, did they do this extra 10 song post because they wanted to lower the standards, or because they were getting so much music that they wanted to feature more without having eight of those 3-song music posts a day? I mean I know they still have the feature posts with the 3 songs, but if they broke the 10 song ones into 2 or 4 song posts there would be a lot more music posts than anything else. I dunno. Did they say they were just lowering the standards?

[ChromaticChaosPony]

You know what I realized? Artists already deal with a 10+ list. Quit yo bitchin'.

Dude

it takes 0.5 seconds to take a look at a picture

it takes 3-5 minutes to listen to a song, and at least 20 seconds to just "preview" it.

Doesn't mean it takes o.5 seconds to make it.

The listener typically doesn't care. If it doesn't catch their immediate attention, they'll ignore it. Art does have the advantage of being easier to observe than music. Therefore, art will get through a viewers short attention span most of the time. Same can't be said for music.

At the same time, grouping art like that does make the artist's hard work seem insignificant. That's a sacrifice you have to make when you submit to such a large website.

My opinion: I think we should just be glad that they're posting music and art from lesser known artists at all. Hypothetically, they don't have to. We should all be greatful that EQD even considers us.

[CommandSpry]

We should all be greatful that EQD even considers us.

This is everything wrong with the artist relation to EqD

EqD is not a diety or a mighty power of the universe, it's a blog. You don't need to worship it and be "grateful that it even considers you as worthy". You should be involved with it and express delight or disgust at decisions made by it

[Sonarch]

EqD is not a diety or a mighty power of the universe, it's a blog. You don't need to worship it and be "grateful that it even considers you as worthy". You should be involved with it and express delight or disgust at decisions made by it

Well, I get how EqD gets viewed that way. It's a huge site that gets tons of views daily, and if you get your song posted there, you know it's passed the review, so it's up to the quality standards, and it exposes your music to a ton of potential listeners, so it's generally awesome to get your tracks up there. But spry is right, you shouldn't think of it as the almighty overlord and the ultimate judge of your music. Remember that the way they choose the music they post is just by having several musicians/pre-listeners review the songs for quality to filter out the troll songs, non-pony music, and the extremely short songs. But since they get like 30 songs a day, they also have to eliminate about 90 percent of the legitimate songs that get submitted. So being in the music of the day post doesn't mean that your song was bad, or even just okay. The pre-listeners just voted on a few other songs over yours. It's like the honorable mentions in a competition, it's for all the songs that weren't top 3, but they still deserve recognition. I have now forgotten what I was originally trying to say, so I hope this contains that original point somewhere.

[ph00tbag]

I like it. I've been getting shafted in the wake of my very first submission to the site getting picked, even though my stuff is, IMO, pretty high quality. So the idea that my poor record with making the short list can be mitigated by making the long list is positive to me.

Now if only they had done this when I submitted my Love is in Bloom remix. I'm still salty about that one not getting any attention.

[StevenAD]

I like it. I've been getting shafted in the wake of my very first submission to the site getting picked, even though my stuff is, IMO, pretty high quality. So the idea that my poor record with making the short list can be mitigated by making the long list is positive to me.

Now if only they had done this when I submitted my Love is in Bloom remix. I'm still salty about that one not getting any attention.

I can't take you seriously when you toot your own horn like this.

[itroitnyah]

So does music have it's own submission email to EqD like fanfictions do, now? Or do we still submit our music to [email protected] or something?

[DjMidli]

EqD is not a diety or a mighty power of the universe, it's a blog. You don't need to worship it and be "grateful that it even considers you as worthy". You should be involved with it and express delight or disgust at decisions made by it

Well, I get how EqD gets viewed that way. It's a huge site that gets tons of views daily, and if you get your song posted there, you know it's passed the review, so it's up to the quality standards, and it exposes your music to a ton of potential listeners, so it's generally awesome to get your tracks up there. But spry is right, you shouldn't think of it as the almighty overlord and the ultimate judge of your music. Remember that the way they choose the music they post is just by having several musicians/pre-listeners review the songs for quality to filter out the troll songs, non-pony music, and the extremely short songs. But since they get like 30 songs a day, they also have to eliminate about 90 percent of the legitimate songs that get submitted. So being in the music of the day post doesn't mean that your song was bad, or even just okay. The pre-listeners just voted on a few other songs over yours. It's like the honorable mentions in a competition, it's for all the songs that weren't top 3, but they still deserve recognition. I have now forgotten what I was originally trying to say, so I hope this contains that original point somewhere.

It seems some people treat EQD as some paragon that "if only I can get my work up there everyone will see my work and I will be popular". I think that's what you are getting at, everyone has gone EQD-centric, too much focus on the blog. I think as well we are all guilty of eqd-centrism at some point .

Overall there Two things wrong with this concept of EQD gaining you fame,

One if you are doing your craft because you want to be popular, you are doing it wrong, you should be doing your craft because you love it (whether it be fanfic, art, or music).

Two, its simply false, case in point, rainbow factory fanfic was rejected frpm eqd yet gained acclaim in the entire Brony community.

[Sonarch]

Well i'm not sure too many of us are about fame, but having people hear your music when they wouldn't have found it otherwise. Also, because of the drop rate, it seems to be something of an accomplishment to get your song up on EqD. So for a lot of people I think it's a milestone, a measurement of success, as well as a way to get some exposure. I mean, where else can you put your song where it will have tons of attention within a day?

[Raddons]

Oh my god, it absolutely bugs me when people object to the "some music is news" rule.

Maybe they get their own solo posts because they are real damn good producers???

[CommandSpry]

EqD has a mutually beneficial relationship with the well known artists; as much as EqD brings them views, they bring views to EqD. EqD is a blog; just a journal. EqD does not produce it's own stuff, it relies COMPLETELY on material produced by others. You are not required to post something to EqD to get noteriety, but completely the opposite. EqD requires you to post something to it, in order to keep interest.

Therefore it's absolutely logical to force already well known names into big posts as to attract more people. It is sometimes unfair seeing as production quality can very well slip for the well known guys and an exceptional track gets burried in a 5 song post (and now it's so much worse because 1) it's a NIGHTLY post 2) It's 10+ songs).

Like I said, there is about one slot a day that remains for non well known people, and I'm talking like, less than about 6000 subscribers or so (or people who don't know Sethisto personally, because there are also musicians that do that and skip queue) to get to the old styled music posts like they were before, and not on the "you tried" lists, and there is 20-30 submissions per day, so, 1 in a 30 chance. I don't know how anyone can see no problem with this, but alas, opinions are opinions, after all : )

[Freewave]

Overall there Two things wrong with this concept of EQD gaining you fame,

One if you are doing your craft because you want to be popular, you are doing it wrong, you should be doing your craft because you love it (whether it be fanfic, art, or music).

Two, its simply false, case in point, rainbow factory fanfic was rejected frpm eqd yet gained acclaim in the entire Brony community.

Wall of text coming...BeWaRe (*Zecora voice*)!!!!

It would be great if there was variety of sites and blogs where you could get your music played or viewed. EQD has become the one stop shop for brony music, there's no getting around that no matter how much i wish that REALLY wasn't the case. Sure it's very possible to still build up an audience / fanbase without it but you will get a huge difference in results in views depending on EQD features your track. It's a monopoly through nobody's fault but everyone. That's not to say it should be or IS the only factor on if your music gets listened to.

EQD features, Subs, Favorites, Uniqueness, Images, Comments by other musicians, having a specific style or genre that you make, word of mouth, etc all contribute to whether your track gets a lot or a little views. The track itself may be the exact same whether it gets out to few or many people but its success is often determined by those factors. Hell, a lot of tracks can become popular just because some famous brony gives his stamp of approval and leaves a comment. That's where the cult of personality and popularity come into play and who likes your track can make your track... cool.

Now all of that can be meaningless if you don't care about it but keep in mind i think most people CARE about trying to get their track heard. If you take the effort to make a well made track you want to make an effort to get it heard. That's not being a popularity whore (unless that is ALL you are doign it for) that's part of trying to be successful at being a non label musician. Of COURSE you care about the quality of your music and ultimately you have to make a good track for anyone to take it seriously when there's so many other brony tracks competing for a listener's time. Production of that track is often key to respect and how well it is received. A lot of the judgment will come from your peers which is why the listeners panel was likely set up.

Two, its simply false, case in point, rainbow factory fanfic was rejected frpm eqd yet gained acclaim in the entire Brony community.

On your point #2

Please keep in mind that the Rainbow Factory fanfic is not the same as the piece of music under the same name and it was made based on that song (the popular song came first then came the grimdark fanfic). So it's irrelevent if EQD did not feature the fanfic as they don't feature grimdark and r34 and those have different ways of getting attention w/o their help. It was a popular song because it was a good track, was remixed over and over, was featured by EQD (likely, i cant 100% necessarily say they featured it the first time but they did feature remixes after), and was made as a Toast Beard entry when the most popular musicians were using Toast Beard to get their tracks heard. Incidentally it wasn't even the winner that week. It would be nice if more people began doing Toast Beard again once the new season starts off as I don't think it has the same magic or importance that it used to in really being an important weekly community event.

Commandspry may be right in that this may open up a whole new can of worms for fairness on EQD if they only feature well known artists in their 3 track highlights. If that's the new rule and those who are ALREADY popular, who have thousands of subs, who have great production down pat, and who are friends with the listeners and Sethisto, then people will notice and should comment so. Those are people who have self-sustaining popularity. There are so many brony musicians in this fandom but the fact is only a small percent of us have that type of status (i guess the upper 5% exist in every facet of society) and most of us will never will haver a chance to break that ceiling (if that is what you are after). EQD and the brony community are a dependent relationship, they are popular because we have made them popular (and vice versa). I have to think these new policies came out from complaints and consistent comments regarding fairness so its very important that people make their voices heard and expect the process to be as fair as possible with any change. Our music community really does hinge on whether it's worth putting music out. If people feel that it's a waste of time, that they have no place in the community, and the deck is stacked they will quit, be demoralized, or change their attitudes regarding why they make music. I don't blame people for wanting it to be all worthwhile and not futile and as every month goes by and more people join in it's becoming more of an uphill battle for a lot of people. Still you have to make this fun despite all this drama or its a waste of time for you.