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Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby AgonistAgent » 30 Aug 2012 21:19

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/08/a ... turne.html

I think we might set a required number of songs for these in the future! What do you guys think of eight per? And for future posts, please include a genre with your album email, as well as the description!


Personally, I never really liked EqD's album handling in the first place(shoving three billion albums into a single post once a week) - but albums are long and the blogponies only have so much time to listen. I wonder if they're accepting all albums and that's why they have to shove em together?
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Watashig » 30 Aug 2012 21:35

No me gusta. What about the artists who like to regularly release ~5 track EPs? Etc etc? Hell, lots of people don't even like EqD's handling of music. Why not just have the prelisteners split off into "Equestria Daily Music," or just have all music directed into a subsidiary site?
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Habanc » 30 Aug 2012 21:46

Watashig wrote:No me gusta. What about the artists who like to regularly release ~5 track EPs? Etc etc? Hell, lots of people don't even like EqD's handling of music. Why not just have the prelisteners split off into "Equestria Daily Music," or just have all music directed into a subsidiary site?


My thoughts exactly. Some people just don't have the time to make eight - ten track albums...

But, this is EqD we're talking about. "Music" and "Logic" do not mesh. Granted, they HAVE been taking some steps in the right direction, at the end of the day it's still the same EqD that people will have problems with.
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 30 Aug 2012 21:59

Well albums are a whole different kettle of fish compared to single tracks. There's a LOT more music to listen to to check if need be, which I can imagine becomes a pain quickly for the people volunteering and taking up their own personal time to prelisten.

I think adding a limit onto this can be a good thing. Albums are becoming saturated, just like how music now is, so putting limits and restrictions on will help cut down and make things more coherent. I agree that plonking all albums for the week in a random post isn't the best idea, but when they have so many coming in, don't they need to come up with a proper plan? Adding restrictions is the start of a good plan quite frankly...

And if you're making a 5 track EP, what's stopping you from releasing them individually and testing the waters with the regular music posts? If one gets in, you can just advertise the EP in the video...
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby colortwelve » 30 Aug 2012 23:42

Personally, I'm not worried. I plan out tracklists that leave me enough room for this even if I only finish half of them... But I can see how this might concern some people. I think Seth should just stop tweaking the music system, because it seems like everything he does, well-intentioned though it may be, pisses a chunk of MLR off.

But whatevs. I'll get back to not being worried.
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Navron » 31 Aug 2012 01:05

Well, with some simple math:

6 albums were in this post. If we assume there are 6 albums featured each week, that gives us a total of 312 albums per year.

An accurate gestimation of how many brony musicians there are according to the Brony Music Director sits somewhere between 405 - 415.

Now, let's assume 2/3 of those are established enough musicians that they would consider putting out an album. That drops the number down to ~ 273 musicians who would potentially submit albums.

With those numbers, the math adds up fairly consistently, but that's talking about an album a year for most of these musicians, with a few doing more than 1.

On average, I'd say a musician/band releases an album every 2-4 years (fair assumption?). So compared to the industry standard, it appears brony musicians are producing albums faster than the norm, which wouldn't be an issue except:

A lot of brony musicians are not at a professional level. If anything, brony musicians should be spending MORE time than the industry standard between releases. I also see one of those "albums" featured, is a 3-track album, with 2 tracks under 5 minutes, and the third just barely over it.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how <15min of music is considered an album.

That comment originally quoted implies this is not the first time people have sent very small albums. Whether this is a loophole in the system for people to get their music featured or not, there's going to be problems down the line if musicians continue to chug out small collections of singles and brand it as an album.

An album should have a theme. A story behind it. Something that makes listening to its entirety more of an experience vs an easier way to download a bundle of tracks. That's why professional musicians spend years working on an album, and that's why when we conduct major MLR albums like the charity albums and Balloon Party, there's such a long period of time for people to work on their single tracks. It's a time to spend perfecting that one song, and a time to tie that song into the theme surrounding the album.

I see a lot of musicians releasing albums more as, "hopping on the bandwagon," than actually trying to innovate something amazing, and it saddens me.

Saddens me because it degrades the impact of future MLR albums, because why would an album seem special if albums are released all the time?

It also saddens me because, if this trend continues, then EqD and the community as a whole are not going to bother giving albums very much thought.

You think it's bad now that your songs get lumped together in a single post? Imagine spending a couple years working to perfect an album only to have it lumped together with a bunch of other albums comprised of 3-5 songs, that the majority of people don't even bother to look at anymore.

So, yes, in the end, I think albums should be held to a much higher level of quality. Track count shouldn't matter though. Overall run time should, and personally, I think 40min is a good minimum required run time.

If people focus more thought and energy into the quality and length of their albums, then there won't be as many albums released. Less albums swarming EqD means a higher chance that each album can have it's own release, such as an, "Album Spotlight," post.

If a musician releases an album once every 2 years (still above the standard), vs more than 1 per year as it stands right now, that means instead of 312 albums, we're talking about 156, which gives EqD the option to feature an album post once every couple weeks with 6 albums, or perhaps feature 2 albums once every 4-5 days.
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby K3WRO » 31 Aug 2012 01:53

So yeah, I think they should count Extended Play albums, most musicians rather release a 4 track ep rather than working on 8 track albums, if they do go with long play albums, we won't have an album spotlight as often
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Freewave » 31 Aug 2012 13:32

Looks ok to me. I wasn't aware that ep's got automatically featured and there's i think a lot more of them then albums. If albums will make releases more special and greenlight music from artists that might otherwise struggle to get EQD love then its a good thing. Navy brony i agree that we need quality releases from people but non-label artists shouldn't need to wait 2 years between albums. Then again no one likes filler either.

There's a lot of artists that continually put out ep's (and albums too for that matter) and lot of it is barely pony related anyway. So if they don't allow non-pony single track features but WERE including ep's or even albums of nothing but pino its kind a weird double standard. It's also noting that some of these are clear copyright violations that are being highlighted. When some well known bronies sample commercial song samples, have all the tracks be really not-pony themed, and then charging money for that it's a rather blatant ethical violation that EQD is either endorsing with a spotlight or looking the other way. People can try to get away with what they want (it is THEIR choice) but at some point people should notice and say "we expect better" from those artists. Breaking copyrights, putting out pino, charging money for it, AND wanting an EQD spotlight for that? Seriously....?
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Matthew N. » 31 Aug 2012 14:09

I spy with my little eye... an EQD hate thread? Big surprise. :P
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Freewave » 31 Aug 2012 14:13

NavyBrony wrote:An accurate gestimation of how many brony musicians there are according to the Brony Music Director sits somewhere between 405 - 415.


Actually there's about 300 with individual entries on the blog and about 300 without that we KNOW ABOUT that are on here. I would likely guess there's another 300 who are new (look on mlr even) or didn't make it onto either of those lists. So around 900 i would assume. Obviously a lot of these artist might not even have an album's worth to compile but just so you get an idea of how many there are currently.

Matthew_N wrote:I spy with my little eye... an EQD hate thread? Big surprise. :P


Actually i like the fact that they feature the albums sent to them and don't appear to have to go through the same "judging" hurdles. Imagine if you compiled all your tracks and they judged them "not good enough". My big issue is when artists are cutting corners to make a buck, make lackluster albums, and EQD looks the other way on ethical violations that they wouldn't tolerate on single tracks. Otherwise new policy looks a step in the right direction as does their new straight to the pre-listeners policy.

Ep's aren't worth giving the same greenlight for unless they are something SPECIAL. Jackleapp's Seasons EP, NACP's Luna Ep, or Silva's pony-oriented ep's should qualify or could likely lose out with the new policy if they stop making exceptions based on track length. That would be sad too.
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby CenterStage » 31 Aug 2012 19:08

No worse than the word limitations on fanfics.

I really don't consider EPs to be albums, though what some people consider EPs can get ridiculous.

That said, a consideration for, say, a four-track album where each track is over ten minutes long might be in order as well. So total length if not number of tracks.
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby Habanc » 31 Aug 2012 21:44

Freewave wrote: There's a lot of artists that continually put out ep's (and albums too for that matter) and lot of it is barely pony related anyway. So if they don't allow non-pony single track features but WERE including ep's or even albums of nothing but pino its kind a weird double standard.


Yeah, this is what perplexes me. EqD has a unique standard for how it judges what is "pony" and what is not. I understand their new status on instrumentals with so many people simple labeling a pony title on a song that had no real pony inspiration to it, and it makes complete sense. Even as a person who refuses to use samples and is too cautious to remix, it seems so shameful to see people slapping pony titles on ill-inspired songs for subs.

I first got into MLP-music by listening to NotACleverPony's awesome and amazing tracks inspired by best pony Luna. Lower the Moon, The Stars Will Aid Her Escape; Pretty much his whole "As Imagined" EP is a standard for great pony instrumental works. And now... Some tracks I listen to and I just cringe. Others, I can really feel the passion and the link to MLP, but you have to go through alot of title-slaps to find them. I don't agree that you MUST have pony samples/-related vocals for a song to be "pony", but more and more now, people who make instrumental tracks need to realize that it's tougher to demonstrate that your song is truly pony-inspired, simply because of the wariness around this subject.

It's kinda frustrating to see those barely-pony, priced EPs, because it only makes everything worse. I have been considering releasing an EP myself, but seeing some other releases makes it disheartening to the point where I may as well just forego EPs/Albums in general. If they are just getting labeled as grabs for money and popularity, then what's the point?
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Re: Potential EqD policy change on Albums.

Postby AgonistAgent » 31 Aug 2012 21:46

Matthew_N wrote:I spy with my little eye... an EQD hate thread? Big surprise. :P


I love EqD myself, it's just that they need to decide on quality control on albums rather than this icky middle ground.
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