Official Discussion Thread (Ghost Edit)

[ExoBassTix]

If you believe in something with all your heart, something that others might not believe in, for whatever reason you do believe in it, it could evolve into a private reality. A fake reality, perhaps. It can be believing in a God, in something magical, or anything else popularly considered unprovable, or mythical. These beliefs can empower their wielder mentally, which is proven to be able to convert into more willpower, and sometimes physical strength. Perhaps even more. The act of believing becomes as powerful as that which is believed in.

Belief is something beautiful, even moreso if you can share your belief with those you hold dear. However, it can also become something destructive, if you start seeing your private reality as the actual reality, and force it upon others that have a different reality. The Mane 6 simply taught Discord this, in which he became 'reformed'.

And the fake reality persists inside of him.

[Stuntddude]

You are convinced the facts you know are true, you believe in them. Why? You learned from a trustworthy source.

Yes, as opposed to wishing my belief in them into existence.

Do you believe you are infallible at judging what is a trustworthy source?

...Are you really doing this? Do you realize this could literally be used as a de facto response to any argument, or anything anyone ever says? Of course I'm not infallible. I never claim to be, and it's irrelevant truth of the matter. Seriously, what a stupid question...

I wouldn't necessarily say that what you believe is always based on how you're informed.
How would someone then be in denial of, say a traumatic experience.
I would say that counts as someone "just arbitrarily choosing to believe something".

It doesn't, though. I don't mean "how you're informed" as in facts that you are directly told, I mean that the information your brain receives determines what you believe. Denial of a traumatic experience is a good example - in that situation, your belief isn't caused by a choice, it's caused by being unable to cope with the reality of a particular experience. If you had tried to make yourself believe that the traumatic experience really did happen, it would not have changed what you actually ended up believing.

A good exercise to test this is to try to will yourself to believe, for instance, that the sky is neon orange. Wish to believe it, try to will your own belief into existence all you like, try as hard as you can, you simply won't be able to do it, because that's just not how human brains work.

Of course, that's not to say you can't indirectly cause yourself to believe something (for instance, by looking up only sources of information that you know will confirm a particular view), but it's not as simple as flipping some Switch of Belief in your brain.

The fact that reality can really only be interpreted through the mind means that your reality is whatever your mind tells you it is, and if your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit you're a horse.

This is true, but it is not two-way. If your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit, you're a horse. But if you tell your mind that you're a horse, then holy shit, nothing happens. Because you can't will belief or experience into existence.

If you believe in something with all your heart, something that others might not believe in, for whatever reason you do believe in it, it could evolve into a private reality. A fake reality, perhaps.

That's just a description of what belief is, though. A "private reality" is a good way to describe what it is like for somebody to genuinely believe something that may not be true, but it's simply a description of belief, not a product of belief.

[Stuntddude]

The basis of the aforementioned rule of thumb is this:
If someone believes that a technique will work on them, or produce a specific result, then afterward, they'll probably believe that it worked or produced the result, regardless of whether it actually produce the result, as long as the result is not something with an obviously observable physical effect (like a surgical procedure, for example).
If the intended result is belief, and the technique requires belief to work, then it is simply a self-fulfilling prophecy.
A technique causing a placebo effect does not mean that the technique actually works.

[ph00tbag]

The fact that reality can really only be interpreted through the mind means that your reality is whatever your mind tells you it is, and if your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit you're a horse.

This is true, but it is not two-way. If your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit, you're a horse. But if you tell your mind that you're a horse, then holy shit, nothing happens. Because you can't will belief or experience into existence.

There's actually a fair amount of evidence to suggest that under the right circumstances, it's possible to get your brain to be utterly convinced of an irreal reality. It's not necessarily so simple as saying, "I am a horse," a bunch of times. It requires entering a different state of consciousness, and opening your mind up to suggestion, but it's fully possible.

[FLAOFEI]

You are convinced the facts you know are true, you believe in them. Why? You learned from a trustworthy source.

Yes, as opposed to wishing my belief in them into existence.

Do you believe you are infallible at judging what is a trustworthy source?

...Are you really doing this? Do you realize this could literally be used as a de facto response to any argument, or anything anyone ever says? Of course I'm not infallible. I never claim to be, and it's irrelevant truth of the matter. Seriously, what a stupid question... [/quote]
It wasn't ment as a question. It was meant as an example. You can never know anything 100% certanly. For all you know you could be an alzheimers patient who thinks you're young again. It doesn't have much to do with Hypnosis specificly, but you made some assumptions about the human mind I don't agree with.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I just had a really good recording session, everything came out super clean and workable, pretty damn keen to start mixing it

[Stuntddude]

The fact that reality can really only be interpreted through the mind means that your reality is whatever your mind tells you it is, and if your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit you're a horse.

This is true, but it is not two-way. If your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit, you're a horse. But if you tell your mind that you're a horse, then holy shit, nothing happens. Because you can't will belief or experience into existence.

There's actually a fair amount of evidence to suggest that under the right circumstances, it's possible to get your brain to be utterly convinced of an irreal reality. It's not necessarily so simple as saying, "I am a horse," a bunch of times.

I don't disagree with this at all, actually. It's possible to set incredibly pervasive ideas in one's own mind, but because humans don't have the power to micromanage their own brains and control their own beliefs directly, it has to be accomplished through more roundabout means by setting up situations for oneself by which to be convinced. That's pretty much my point all along.

[ph00tbag]

I guess this really comes from ambiguity in the definition of the word, belief. If we're taking belief to mean, "acceptance of that which is, based on compelling evidence in favor," then yeah, that's not something that can be changed directly. But I've always understood belief to mean, "personal conviction formed in the absence of compelling evidence for or against." Such a thing is simple to change, really, relying on nothing more than a conscious decision to change.

But I don't consider hypnosis to be a matter of the latter. Hypnosis not only creates for you evidence of a particular non-truth, but encourages your mind to ignore all evidence to the contrary, so by all rights, you have compelling evidence that the hypnotic fallacy is true, and you believe it in the former sense--you accept it. It is just such a roundabout way of reprogramming the mind.

[Bronies Are Cool]

Me and my Ex went on a date last night....actually, that was our first real date

[LFP]

On another very related note

[DJ TATCM]

what is the difference between seapunk and vaporwave frankly i am so befuddled by all these newfangled genres you meddling kids come up with these days

[Viricide Filly]

I can't really tell you the difference because I don't listen to Seapunk, but I can tell you there is a pretty big difference in direction, aesthetic, style, origin etc

[Stuntddude]

What even is seapunk and what is vaporwave, and is it even worth the brain cells to know?

[Jokeblue]

Sea punk sounds like ocean influenced ska-punk with accordions or something

[Jokeblue]

That is to say that's what the name sounds like to me. I've never heard it and have no idea what it's like lol, just made an assumption.

[ExoBassTix]

https://soundcloud.com/supersawhoover/callupontheseapunk
Seapunk.

[Viricide Filly]

I really do enjoy quite a lot of Vaporwave though. Not for the aesthetics, for the sound of it. Even though a lot of it doesn't take much to make, I still enjoy it.

[Stuntddude]

I think I can relate to that. It sounds sort of like my hobby of listening to songs paulstretched or with a 4 bar stereo offset.

[Acsii]

Sea punk sounds like ocean influenced ska-punk with accordions or something

I would listen the fuck out of anything that was like that

[Jokeblue]

Sea punk sounds like ocean influenced ska-punk with accordions or something

I would listen the fuck out of anything that was like that

I know right? Ska-punk's awesome, what better way to make it more awesome by making it oceany?

[Bronies Are Cool]

I feel more and more depressed the more tired I get.
I have been awake for 18 hours. Which is nothing compared to what I usually do. But I've been awake and getting very little sleep lately. It adds up. I'm very tired.
Fun fact: staying awake for 17 hours has similar effects on the brain as drinking two glasses of wine.
Meaning my brain is currently functioning the same as if I was slightly drunk. Weird

[Guthey]

I feel more and more depressed the more tired I get.
I have been awake for 18 hours. Which is nothing compared to what I usually do. But I've been awake and getting very little sleep lately. It adds up. I'm very tired.
Fun fact: staying awake for 17 hours has similar effects on the brain as drinking two glasses of wine.
Meaning my brain is currently functioning the same as if I was slightly drunk. Weird

Well that's not good, eh?

[Freewave]

What even is seapunk and what is vaporwave, and is it even worth the brain cells to know?

This is Vaporwave, it still seems to have some support and a unified style. Haven't heard any myself. Still going semi strong and following in the footsteps (movement wise) as Chillwave and Witch House (although very different)
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/MarilynRo ... vaporwave/



Seapunk was VERRRy brief and never really organized a sound. More a brief meme and fashion statement based on the sea and music and that's about it. https://rateyourmusic.com/list/RaggaR/% ... %E2%96%B2/

Turned more into a joke once mtv jumped on it early on. Likely killed it faster then anything

[ExoBassTix]

Likely killed it faster then anything

Nah, there's still Googlecore.

[ph00tbag]

I'm just going to call it all meme music.