How to push forward

Discuss tips, tricks, and the creative process of music creation. Post HELP threads here

How to push forward

Postby KillerAmp » 26 Sep 2012 17:44

so I feel that currently i am able to make some good sounds with massive and im able to mix and master pretty well for what i want to do, but i have a question regarding how i should move forward,

Where do i go? What do i do?
I feel like as of right now im able to make some good quality synth leads and grit basses in massive, but id like to learn a lot more about how to make sounds no one has made before, (and not the classic random knobs) but dont really know where to go to figure out how each filter works, how routing works, how each wavetable works ect.

I also feel like i am strongly lacking in my ability to fill the space in the track, give it texture, variation, and balance. Again having no idea where to turn.

And lastly i feel like i don't have a good grasp on melody and harmony creation, i can create basic melodys, but nothing interesting and unique.

My music currently is sounding like this
http://soundcloud.com/officialkilleramp/chilhaton

my goal is to be around here
http://soundcloud.com/xkore/xkore-everybody-rock-free

(generally i dont make moombahton but it was for example.)

Any and ALL advice/tips would be amazing
User avatar
KillerAmp
 
Posts: 209
Joined: 24 Jun 2012 19:40
Location: New York
OS: Windin XD
Primary: Ableton Live 9
Cutie Mark: Feels

Re: How to push forward

Postby vladnuke » 26 Sep 2012 20:05

KillerAmp wrote:so I feel that currently i am able to make some good sounds with massive and im able to mix and master pretty well for what i want to do, but i have a question regarding how i should move forward,

Where do i go? What do i do?
I feel like as of right now im able to make some good quality synth leads and grit basses in massive, but id like to learn a lot more about how to make sounds no one has made before, (and not the classic random knobs) but dont really know where to go to figure out how each filter works, how routing works, how each wavetable works ect.

I also feel like i am strongly lacking in my ability to fill the space in the track, give it texture, variation, and balance. Again having no idea where to turn.

And lastly i feel like i don't have a good grasp on melody and harmony creation, i can create basic melodys, but nothing interesting and unique.

My music currently is sounding like this
http://soundcloud.com/officialkilleramp/chilhaton

my goal is to be around here
http://soundcloud.com/xkore/xkore-everybody-rock-free

(generally i dont make moombahton but it was for example.)

Any and ALL advice/tips would be amazing

You're missing pads. Pads are important.
Music theory is important too.
If you want xKore sounds, comb filters with LFOs are your friend. Think about the sound you want to create, and everything that you hear in it. Try to isolate one note in the sound, make that, and add in automation afterwards.
User avatar
vladnuke
 
Posts: 1033
Joined: 29 Feb 2012 19:47
Location: Los Angeles

Re: How to push forward

Postby Friv » 27 Sep 2012 00:07

Just keep producing. The more you keep at it, the better you get naturally. I don't like the saying practice makes perfect, but it's true. Also, read up and research as much as possible on mixing/mastering, that's the best thing to be booksmart on.
Well I'm pretty much done with this site (it wasn't about the April Fool's joke I actually loved that). If for some reason somebody wants to contact me or something (not like any of you even care lol):
email: [email protected]
User avatar
Friv
 
Posts: 271
Joined: 11 Mar 2012 15:28

Re: How to push forward

Postby GumsOfGabby » 27 Sep 2012 04:00

Well, you can't learn something that no one has created because there's nothing to work from. If you want to create something totally unique, you can (as you said) tweak random knobs for hours/days/weeks/months on end to finally get something you like. The disadvantage in this is that you won't fully understand how or (more importantly) WHY your configuration of Massive made that sound. Your best bet is to just read the manual. Read it thoroughly. Twice. Three times. Make educated notes. Start over and make notes of your notes. Google terms you don't understand. Google terms you do understand to make sure you're correct. Experiment with your knowledge. Use waveforms and effects you don't normally use. Make sure you know what each filter does and where they can be applied to get a particular sounds you're after.

At the end of the day, it's the time and effort you put into your work that will bring progress. Experience is what you need more than anything. You could watch every single sound production video specific to Massive in existence, but it will not bring you any closer to where you want to be. Invest bucket (no, cargo ship) loads of time into the areas you want to improve on. It's the only way you're going to "move forward".

Regarding your other points, again it's the time you spend in the studio that will make progress. A good idea to start you off in the right direction is to listen to some of your favourite tracks (preferably in the genre you make music, but not essential). Study it. Dissect it. Write down every single sound you hear in that track, where they're introduced, when they're accentuated, etc. This will help you fill up your tracks and make them sound full. Use these tracks as templates for your own. Follow the flow of the track, but don't be afraid to let your creativity take you off in a different direction.

If you want to improve on your melodies and harmonies, study music theory and apply it to your work. Here are some links to get you started:

http://www.musictheory.net/lessons
http://audio.tutsplus.com/category/tuto ... mposition/
http://audio.tutsplus.com/category/tuto ... ic-theory/

I've kind of lost my train of thought right now, but my main point in this post is that you HAVE to put in the hours to see progress. Sometimes it's hard, sometimes you feel uninspired. But that's no excuse to work on other areas of your music. There are too many areas of music production for you to NOT have something to improve in ANY circumstances. Make the most of your time. Work hard and work SMART.

Extra link that may be helpful http://audio.tutsplus.com/category/tuto ... nd-design/

DISCLAIMER: This post may be plagued with spelling errors and silly ideas that some silly 18 year old goes by.
Youtube | Soundcloud

Skype: gumsofgabby
FL/Massive noob

Need a bit of feedback? Don't be shy to send me a PM along with your sample.
User avatar
GumsOfGabby
 
Posts: 163
Joined: 29 Aug 2012 09:28
Location: A Land Down Under

Re: How to push forward

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 27 Sep 2012 04:15

I'm really sorry, but...

KEEP. MAKING. MUSIC.

I asked SixofLasers how long he'd been producing. He told me it was six years before he was happy enough with something to release it. SIX YEARS.
User avatar
XXDarkShadow79XX
 
Posts: 940
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 04:49
OS: Windows
Primary: FL

Re: How to push forward

Postby KillerAmp » 27 Sep 2012 15:13

im currently taking theory in highschool (slow as fuck class, everyones so slowww at learning things were not getting anywhere)
my real issue with pads is the notation to use with them,
and i guess ill just keep making music lol :P

Also dont take this as a "stop posting" thing, ill take ANY advice ANYONE has :D
User avatar
KillerAmp
 
Posts: 209
Joined: 24 Jun 2012 19:40
Location: New York
OS: Windin XD
Primary: Ableton Live 9
Cutie Mark: Feels


Return to Technique



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests