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Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 10 Sep 2012 18:55

Right now Blaze's CPU crapped out on him, making him unable to make music. Here's his update video:



Obviously, as stated, a new CPU is not very cheap. So, he has given you the chance to donate to help him out. Here's the link.

I felt it necessary to post this, as it'd be really cool if a few of you guys could help him out. (I'm 13 and I don't have a credit card, so unfortunately I cannot help)

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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby CommandSpry » 10 Sep 2012 20:04

If your CPU is 2 months old and died, use your warranty and replace it.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 10 Sep 2012 20:08

CommandSpry wrote:If your CPU is 2 months old and died, use your warranty and replace it.


You're right. He certainly didn't think of that before asking for donations.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby CommandSpry » 10 Sep 2012 20:10

That's the first thing you think about when something dies. Sounds to me like his CPU is just fine and he just wants a new CPU.

Nothing bad with that, we all want new technology, but it's terribly dishonest to throw in a dead CPU, college funding and stuff like that to get people to donate. It's called ebegging and nobody likes it.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 11 Sep 2012 05:54

CommandSpry wrote:That's the first thing you think about when something dies. Sounds to me like his CPU is just fine and he just wants a new CPU.

Nothing bad with that, we all want new technology, but it's terribly dishonest to throw in a dead CPU, college funding and stuff like that to get people to donate. It's called ebegging and nobody likes it.


Honestly there's not much I can do to figure out if he's telling the truth or not. I just don't think he would want a new CPU if it didn't break on him. I mean, he's never complained until now, and he hasn't even offered donations until now.

And yes, the college donations part wasn't too necessary, but there are some people out there that won't donate if that's not in there.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 11 Sep 2012 13:58

Kyoga wrote:look. I don't know who blaze is or what he does, but there's no damned way that there was "no better option" than to ask his fans for money.


Mind naming a few? People ask money from their subs all the time. Clearly, there's no other option in sight, or at least, he doesn't know about them, and no one is nice enough to tell him. For the time being, if we want music from him, then he needs money.

Kyoga wrote:Trust me when I say that I am constantly bombarded with financial bullshit all the time.
i stock money specifically in case something happens to my computer.


Good for you. But the thing is, you just said you didn't know who Blaze was. How do you know his financial situation.

I posted this on the forum to help Blaze out, and I've only gotten negative responses. It's not fair to assume someone's position and accuse them of begging or being dishonest. What does Blaze have to gain from lying to his fans? A new CPU? Does that mean he's gonna take over the damn world? And like I said, if he really wanted it that bad, then why is he only asking of this now?
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby CommandSpry » 11 Sep 2012 14:19

Okay first of all, when people ask for donations from their subscribers, they do something in return. Musicians release an EP, artists accept commissions. Anyone who asks for donations for nothing in return is not right in my book, however many of these people are there.

And his financial situation sounds fine. He's a college student, wow really? So are we. We also have college expenses. He wants to go to a convention? So do we. Some of us can't even afford that. Because we also live overseas but can't even save up 200$ in a year. He can replace his CPU under warranty but he instead chose to ask for donations from his fans for nothing in return (and don't give me the "music that he does" thing, he would have done music anyway) in order to get a piece of hardware he does not require, since he can get his CPU back for no money whatsoever, so it's not like he can't use his PC.

And if this was really important to him, he would use the money he was saving to go to BronyCon on this in an instant. it's just ebegging and unfortunately nobody likes it. I'm not saying Blaze is a bad person, I don't know that, but this is a bad move. Not getting anything from me, at the very least
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 11 Sep 2012 15:19

I just kinda wish Blaze was a bit bigger so he would possibly share more of his situation. Blaze could actually be saving up, he could really be in need, he could just be kinda lazy, or this is a huge scam. I just wish he told us a bit more about what's going on, (Because it's not like you guys are the only ones that are questioning his situation a bit.)
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby ChromaticChaosPony » 11 Sep 2012 16:43

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Re: Help Blaze Out?

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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby Friv » 11 Sep 2012 17:42

Please don't turn this into a thread complaining about people who are asking for donations. If you don't care to help him, that's completely understandable, but don't come online and criticize him about it.

CommandSpry wrote:Okay first of all, when people ask for donations from their subscribers, they do something in return. Musicians release an EP, artists accept commissions. Anyone who asks for donations for nothing in return is not right in my book, however many of these people are there.


If he needs a new CPU to make music, what do you think he's gonna do when he gets the processor? Give his subs / everyone who donated music. It's not like he's asking his fans to give him money so he can throw a party. He's asking them to help him so that he can give them music, it's kind of hard to continue making music to get money when you literally can't make music.

ChromaticChaosPony wrote:Yet, I have not even created a Paypal account to accept donations with. I release everything for free (it isn't very great).
I think I have the right to say how wrong I think it is that Blaze is asking for money and giving nothing in return.


Get off your high god damn horse. A lot of people get money by putting some music up on bandcamp. That doesn't automatically make those people better than him for what he's doing? Not only is he in fact giving them something in return, despite what you claimed, but he's choosing to keep his music FREE but asking for help so he can continue making music in return. Also, if you didn't watch the video, he said he is in a college for music, so obviously he's going to have a better setup than you, so no, just because you don't have good software, doesn't give you the right to label what he's doing as wrong.


Okay? Now let's stop wasting away this thread.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 11 Sep 2012 18:06

It's alright Frivoulous. While I do appreciate your help defending Blaze, I believe this thread can be a healthy discussion. It not derailing/off topic if the OP is okay with it, right?
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby OfficialBlaze » 11 Sep 2012 18:43

Okay guys, here's some more information about it.

Regarding the warranty, I've tried it twice before. AMD has done nothing for me but given me bad luck over and over. At THIS specific point, I am choosing to move to a Intel as I've heard and have had recommended to me over AMD recently when I started discovering very minor problems with my CPU, again. The reason I haven't gotten Intel the last 2 times was for the fact I couldn't afford it. At the time I was full time at college for 5 days a week and was there from 9 till 8 at night and didn't have time to get a job especially since I I was working with my dad in construction every weekend as well.

I am now currently back in college, a musical one which costs too. Transport costs a lot since I live 2 hours from it's location so I have to use my remaining money for this and stopping myself from starving when not in my home.

About the paypal/donate thingie. People have been bothering me for a while about how to submit donations "for whatever reason they want to do so". I have put it off and put it off as I know at the time I didn't even need any money so I figured I'd wait till it became more valuable to me "Which is exactly what is happening now". I am not forcing any of you to GIVE ME MONEY or anything. I am simply enabling the option to do so if you feel you want to. I am not relying on this too much as I didn't really expect many of you to do so since, I know we all have our own lives to take care of but you know how generous us Bronies are with supporting one an other. I didn't want to actually do this at first but since I couldn't do an EP's or make a new album to sell that I think would even get any attention, I decided to enable donations.

Also, if you guys think I am going to give absolutely NOTHING back to my fans that DO help me out or support me in any way then you have probably never been more mistaken.

I find it very ironic how when I enable the option for donations people start bashing me "STOP BEGGING FOR MONEY YOU ASSHOLE!" or "MONEY WHORE!". Once again, before any of you continue this specific rant towards me again, I have not at any point in time demanded you give me anything, I'm not even trying to force you in any way, NOR am I doing any guilt trips to entice anything.

It was a short video, explaining my situation and mentioning about donations. I'm gonna leave it at that.

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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 11 Sep 2012 18:55

Thanks Blaze for clearing that up for some people. And thank you CommandSpry and Kyoga for instilling a healthy conversation. I think it may be time to wrap this discussion up but still leave this thread open for anyone else who wants to give their 2 cents/contribute.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 11 Sep 2012 19:08

I personally think that if you're asking for money for non-essentials (which, judging by the fact that all you're doing is switching brand, isn't going to result in your demise if you don't), you should at the very least work for it.
In order to meet in the middle with 'this is justified' and 'this is money-grabbing', you should do a kind of preorder thing. Anyone who donates will get a free copy of an album or EP that you WILL produce when you get your new cpu.
That sounds much more reasonable than 'I need to switch cpu brand, please give me money' right?
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby OfficialBlaze » 11 Sep 2012 19:34

Dude, once again. I'm not asking for it. I'm announcing such a thing is available at the right time. I can't promise anything because I might not even meet my target anyway. I wasn't intending for this to be a fund raiser. Although people are sure as hell treating it like one now. I do want to give something back but I'm not making promising I can't keep just yet. Once again though, I am switching because of the unreliability of the previous few. I can't make music without a new CPU but I am NOT touching AMD ever again after this being my 3rd one.

I got convinced by people to talk about this situation and associating it in the same video as my donation release. Some of you have made me severely regret listening to said people now. I had doubts before I even posted the video. I did predict people would whine at me. Just not this freaking much all over my youtube PM's and skype.

I'll probably just keep myself to myself in the future I guess. Listening to other people is what got me these shit AMD's in the first place.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby CommandSpry » 11 Sep 2012 23:48

Okay first of all, this is exactly asking for money for nothing in return. You would continue to make music either way; if people gave you money or not; because you can get a CPU under warranty. You are not unable to use your PC and make music, so you chose to ask for money, you weren't forced to.

Second of all, your financial situation isn't so bad, however much it is worse than what you had before. Not being able to afford a new 200$ processor isn't being in a bad financial situation if you still manage to save up money to go to BronyCon in the US. I can barely save up money for a bus to go 150km from home to the city my college is in every week.

Third of all, get a new processor, not a new brand. I can testify that I have a working AMD Athlon 900+ P3 processor from 2000, AMD Athlon XP 2200+ P4 processor from 2004, both still working in different PCs my uncle uses sometimes. Yes, using P3 and P4 processors because he can't even afford a Celeron these days. Intel and AMD are both very reliable, what you want is performance. AMD Phenom isn't a performer, if you have that, you made a wrong choice. If you're looking at an i5, don't. Get an AMD FX-8150. Just check out this chard:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

and see what the price is and how up the chart it is. Intel are great, I have used Intel Core2Duo and Core2Quad, I have an i5 in my laptop but AMD FX are perfect for the money. I have an FX-8150 and it's fantastic.

Not only do you have to change your CPU, for Intel you have to change your Motherboard too. So that's already about 100 euros more. If you were really in a tough financial situation, you wouldn't mindlessly change brand if you're unsatisfied with one product. I used to bash ATI because I had a x1950pro die on me twice (seem familliar?) so I switched to Nvidia, but I also have an ATI in my other PC. A specific product doesn't paint the whole brand.

To summarize, you can get a replacement CPU and still work on music, and plan to upgrade the CPU later. I'll be glad if you get enough money to buy what you want from this donation thing but I'm just explaining why I wouldn't give any money, this is far from urgent so that I would be willing to donate.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby AgonistAgent » 12 Sep 2012 00:27

OfficialBlaze wrote:Okay guys, here's some more information about it.

Regarding the warranty, I've tried it twice before. AMD has done nothing for me but given me bad luck over and over. At THIS specific point, I am choosing to move to a Intel as I've heard and have had recommended to me over AMD recently when I started discovering very minor problems with my CPU, again. The reason I haven't gotten Intel the last 2 times was for the fact I couldn't afford it. At the time I was full time at college for 5 days a week and was there from 9 till 8 at night and didn't have time to get a job especially since I I was working with my dad in construction every weekend as well.


Grab as much evidence of your conversations with AMDs shittery, contact The Consumerist(and like blogs), find contacts higher up the chain, file a report with the BBB, hit the gym, etc.

You don't need a lawyer to get a company to listen to you. Heck, I managed to get an apology letter from the manager of a company's state branch because of some shit they pulled with the intern program(technically legal, but quite unethical) - having parents with management experience helped.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 12 Sep 2012 03:35

OfficialBlaze wrote:Dude, once again. I'm not asking for it. I'm announcing such a thing is available at the right time.


After relistening to your video in case I'd misinterpreted anything, I can assure you that you are asking for money. I don't know whether that's not what you meant, but that's how the video sounds.

Is my idea not an option then? Because if you get money for a different branded cpu, you can make music. If you can make music, you can make an EP. If you make an EP, you can give back to whoever donated.
Seems logical to me!
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby CommandSpry » 12 Sep 2012 03:41

AgonistAgent wrote:
OfficialBlaze wrote:Okay guys, here's some more information about it.

Regarding the warranty, I've tried it twice before. AMD has done nothing for me but given me bad luck over and over. At THIS specific point, I am choosing to move to a Intel as I've heard and have had recommended to me over AMD recently when I started discovering very minor problems with my CPU, again. The reason I haven't gotten Intel the last 2 times was for the fact I couldn't afford it. At the time I was full time at college for 5 days a week and was there from 9 till 8 at night and didn't have time to get a job especially since I I was working with my dad in construction every weekend as well.


Grab as much evidence of your conversations with AMDs shittery, contact The Consumerist(and like blogs), find contacts higher up the chain, file a report with the BBB, hit the gym, etc.

You don't need a lawyer to get a company to listen to you. Heck, I managed to get an apology letter from the manager of a company's state branch because of some shit they pulled with the intern program(technically legal, but quite unethical) - having parents with management experience helped.


AMD has nothing to do directly with Blaze, if there isn't a place called the AMD Store or something. The warranty is issued by the retailer so the only relation he has with AMD is that he's using their products. AMD doesn't have an obligation to replace his product, the retailer can, unless stated otherwise; some companies do give out direct warranty like Seagate or Kingston.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby AgonistAgent » 12 Sep 2012 23:47

CommandSpry wrote:
AMD has nothing to do directly with Blaze, if there isn't a place called the AMD Store or something. The warranty is issued by the retailer so the only relation he has with AMD is that he's using their products. AMD doesn't have an obligation to replace his product, the retailer can, unless stated otherwise; some companies do give out direct warranty like Seagate or Kingston.


Ahh - haven't built anything for a while, lost track of who gives warranties and who doesn't. The general sentiment still remains.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby Kushy Kallous » 13 Sep 2012 05:46

I have very strong opinions on this, although, the integrity of such a subject has made me scared to post, what-with all the "anti-spam" flak.

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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 13 Sep 2012 13:04

Kushy Kallous wrote:I have very strong opinions on this, although, the integrity of such a subject has made me scared to post, what-with all the "anti-spam" flak.

-censorship-


I think you should be fine. Making an actual contribution to this thread with your opinion is not spamming at all.
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Re: Help Blaze Out?

Postby Kushy Kallous » 13 Sep 2012 22:13

XXDarkShadow79XX wrote:
Kushy Kallous wrote:I have very strong opinions on this, although, the integrity of such a subject has made me scared to post, what-with all the "anti-spam" flak.

-censorship-


I think you should be fine. Making an actual contribution to this thread with your opinion is not spamming at all.

As long as the OP agrees that this will be contributing to the thread:

Blaze seems like he didnt really think his posts out, continually contradicting himself among us all was not a good tact to get people to understand your side.

I can agree that schooling and transportation (let alone, day-to-day cost of living) is a hardship as musicians we must overcome. And for that, I empathize with blaze, though, not in the entirety of his plea. -- I just deal with what I got. Make sure I work hard for what I want. Maybe after the strife, people might realize what I went through and respect my music just that much more (as a rapper, a lot of my music is about overcoming the overwhelming response that (not even HAS come) MIGHT come from me trying to throw my voice out there.)

You as a producer, I feel your task is much harder, because your ideas are not as prevalent as those that would go with the lyricals of a track with vocals. Through such, I believe your plight was not received correctly. And for sure, my gut feeling and initial thought was that you were just asking for money from people.

I was going to put lines down such as: (I'm putting these down because these feelings are still strong in me)
-- If you have a donation link up because people asked you to put that link up, you shouldn't have to ask for donations.

-- Incentives may be good, though, the actual idea of asking for donations will ruin any chance of, "HEY I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS AN EP!" , It's been stated before, wouldn't you just release that anyway?

I also feel like a video announcing an album for sale on bandcamp would have been better.
It would have at least squelched a lot of these thoughts from many people.

I don't want to be one who is on either side of this, I just.. Kinda 'felt' while reading all of this.


I hope blaze sorts what he needs to out. Good luck.
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