http://soundcloud.com/wavesofparadox/wip-solo-for-piano-no1
This WiP is currently very short, but I want help through its creation since this is only my second twelve tone piece. The first one did not turn out very well.
The tone row for this is:
0,4,6,e,9,8,7,5,1,t,3,2
<nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
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<nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by WavesOfParadox » 18 Jul 2012 22:04
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by Dr_Dissonance » 21 Jul 2012 20:50
I can't give much feedback on twelve tone without seeing the score...
The only thing I can think of is use range ridiculously. Range was all over the place in twelve tone and it was effective, try it!
The only thing I can think of is use range ridiculously. Range was all over the place in twelve tone and it was effective, try it!
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by WavesOfParadox » 21 Jul 2012 21:04
That's easy: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0s58qv1hyf5h39o
(I should probably start posting the score from now on)
(I should probably start posting the score from now on)
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by Dr_Dissonance » 21 Jul 2012 22:18
I'm finding the twelve tone very difficult to notice. Whilst I notice it the first time, there are instances of notes being used that aren't part of the twelve tone. What did you do after the first instance of twelve tone?
At the moment, some notes seem to repeat too close together or too often. (for example, A# is used in an odd place)
Also make sure the score is neat. There are rests that don't need to be there and some natural signs are missing!
But yeah, explain what you did and I can help.
At the moment, some notes seem to repeat too close together or too often. (for example, A# is used in an odd place)
Also make sure the score is neat. There are rests that don't need to be there and some natural signs are missing!
But yeah, explain what you did and I can help.
Tubeyou
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
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You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
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So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
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A doctor of dissonance.
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by WavesOfParadox » 21 Jul 2012 22:32
This was made to be strict twelve tone and I believe that's what I accomplished. The order I went was P0, P2, R2.
Could you specify which of the three A#'s in there you are referring to?
And I'm sorry the score is messy, I don't normally think of other people reading them.
Could you specify which of the three A#'s in there you are referring to?
And I'm sorry the score is messy, I don't normally think of other people reading them.
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by Dr_Dissonance » 24 Jul 2012 09:05
Sorry for the long wait for a reply!
The notes close to each other makes sense now with that P2 R2 combo. I suppose that's up to you which ones you use!
Twelve-tone is actually incredibly difficult to get right. It's not a simple case of choose a tone row and kaboom! Winner! It requires a lot of thought into the process of how the tone row evolves and mutates as time goes on.
Think about how you're going to evolve your tone row. I think the A#'s put me off because I'm used to movements like P0 I7 and so on. Repetition of notes can begin to imply tonal center!
So yeah, study Schoenberg's works, he was the pro!
The notes close to each other makes sense now with that P2 R2 combo. I suppose that's up to you which ones you use!
Twelve-tone is actually incredibly difficult to get right. It's not a simple case of choose a tone row and kaboom! Winner! It requires a lot of thought into the process of how the tone row evolves and mutates as time goes on.
Think about how you're going to evolve your tone row. I think the A#'s put me off because I'm used to movements like P0 I7 and so on. Repetition of notes can begin to imply tonal center!
So yeah, study Schoenberg's works, he was the pro!
Tubeyou
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by WavesOfParadox » 24 Jul 2012 09:39
Exactly how does it evolve? Do you have any short examples of it?
And I recently got sheet music for Klavierstuecke Op.33a, but I'm already stuck on the third measure...
And I recently got sheet music for Klavierstuecke Op.33a, but I'm already stuck on the third measure...
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by Dr_Dissonance » 24 Jul 2012 19:13
Tubeyou
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by WavesOfParadox » 24 Jul 2012 22:11
Dr_Dissonance wrote:An Analysis of Schoenberg's 4th String Quartet, 1st movement
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Re: <nonpony><WIP>Solo for Piano No.1 (twelve tone)
by Dr_Dissonance » 24 Jul 2012 23:13
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Tubeyou
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
You’re a silent guardian of music, a watchful protector of songs.
A doctor of dissonance.
-Phillypu
You are the hero My Little Remix deserves, not the one it needs.
So we’ll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero.
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A doctor of dissonance.
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