<wip><remix><kinda> Shitty dinasour shit dubstep

[Berri]

A song made for the f**k dubstep album.

F**k dubstep is a album dedicated to people hating on dubstep:
http://www.mylittleremix.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8760

https://soundcloud.com/theberri/dubstep-sucks-wip

give me ways to improve

[Conduit]

ow, the clipping is really painful. Your stuff should be nowhere near this loud, its actually just painful to listen to. If you want to parody the really generic punchy dubstep sound throw a limiter on the master and crank it up, but dont make your drums clip this hard beforehand.

[Guthey]

OI, I agree with Conduit, this is very painful to listen to. you are missing a ton of mechanics, where are the melodies? Where are the harmonies? Where is any sort of rhythm? The clipping was pretty much most of the song, the same beat for a good minute, the vocals were kinda just there, didn't really seem to serve a purpose but to be a filler, dinosaur dub is based widely on growls and heavy bass structure, although you had heavy bass, it was too clippy and had no rhythm and served no purpose but noise. the beat was annoying. "1,2,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,2" pretty much the beat...kinda boring, could use way more variation within harmony toward the song, dont just throw random kicks and snares out there. some parts of the vocals were way too long, taking up a full 30-45 seconds within the song, they were just like an underlying noise. vocals in dinostep usually indicate some sort of incoming drop or they are either synthesized to sound like a modulated bass, or to just have a quick vocal and then the drop comes back to where it was previously. There is pretty much none of that in this. Also, there is just way too much distortion in the kicks, I can barely tell if they are kicks. also, there is barely any bass at all, there is no rhythmic sequence at all, just like putting bass under the kick for a basskick is not a basskick. there seemed to be no EQ at all, just pretty much noise.

"Wow, this guy is a dick!" I assure you i'm not being a dick, i'm giving you constructive criticism to help you on your endeavor, also, notice I never said it sucked, I would never say that, but it really does just sound like noise and it is very painful to listen to, especially when most of us use earphones. If you want to get better at this dinostep for your "fuck dubstep" album, I highly suggest you listen to more dubstep in general and more formally dinostep if you plan on making a dubstep song to show your "hatred" of dubstep. if you plan on just making a joke of dubstep then i suggest learning the overall genre so you know what to make fun of, rather than just clumping some kicks, snares, bass, the few synths, and throwing it all into your playlist. If you keep at it, you keep learning, focusing, and pay attention to everything and all the sounds in dubstep, you'll get the hang of it. please don't just blow me off as some douchebag, you wanted help, and so i'm giving it to you, please take it into consideraton, and good luck !

[Berri]

ok so this isn't mentioned again the clipping is happening because i am a bit of a noob and when i exported the project it as really quiet, so i put it in audacity and amplified it so it was actually hearable, i might upload a less clippy version if I have time later today, also ways to make this song sound louder without having to put it through audacity would be appricated.

[3ternal]

also ways to make this song sound louder without having to put it through audacity would be appricated.

Proper mixing and mastering. 'nuff said.

[Guthey]

Proper mixing and mastering. 'nuff said.

indeed, parametric eq 2, limiter, the overall sound of whatever ur trying to make louder, just experiment without boosting the amp on everything.

[Berri]

https://soundcloud.com/theberri/better-drums-f-k-dubstep-still

this is an earlier version without clipping

i think it might actually be better than what i have now just really quiet.

also ,since i haven't mentioned this, it was really loud in logic (yes i use logic, it sucks) but when i export it becomes this quiet.

also i have never hear if dinosaur dub and i don't hate dubstep, I LOVE DUBSTEP. the album is a joke album where we remix people hating on dubstep.

so i am bad a bad dubstep song ,not because i hate dubstep ,i am just bad at making it.

[Conduit]

https://soundcloud.com/theberri/better-drums-f-k-dubstep-still

this is an earlier version without clipping

i think it might actually be better than what i have now just really quiet.

also ,since i haven't mentioned this, it was really loud in logic (yes i use logic, it sucks) but when i export it becomes this quiet.

also i have never hear if dinosaur dub and i don't hate dubstep, I LOVE DUBSTEP. the album is a joke album where we remix people hating on dubstep.

so i am bad a bad dubstep song ,not because i hate dubstep ,i am just bad at making it.

First off I would like to point out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with logic, your just not using it right. All pro DAW's are pretty much equal, with different workflow which makes some people prefer one over another. Anyway, your settings are obviously wrong if it sounded quiet in logic. Look at the levels, is the master peaking just below 0 dB (less if you plan to send it to someone to master later, maybe at -4dB)?

This might sound a little mean but, I just really want to see you improve. Please never blame poor production on the software. There is nothing that will make your stuff sound good if you have no idea what your doing. Watch some tutorials, read some articles, and most importantly play around, but making a claim like "its bad because Logic sucks" when you are still learning the basics is a horrible idea. The only excuse for poor sound quality is your own ability, and you won't improve if you don't recognize that.

I'm really sorry if this sounds cruel, but really the only way to improve is by seeing where your falling short, and working to improve them.

I'm not sure if English is your second language, and its excused if it is, but please work on having readable sentences. I'm not sure what your saying throughout the second half of the post.

[Berri]

First off I would like to point out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with logic, your just not using it right. All pro DAW's are pretty much equal, with different workflow which makes some people prefer one over another. Anyway, your settings are obviously wrong if it sounded quiet in logic. Look at the levels, is the master peaking just below 0 dB (less if you plan to send it to someone to master later, maybe at -4dB)?

This might sound a little mean but, I just really want to see you improve. Please never blame poor production on the software. There is nothing that will make your stuff sound good if you have no idea what your doing. Watch some tutorials, read some articles, and most importantly play around, but making a claim like "its bad because Logic sucks" when you are still learning the basics is a horrible idea. The only excuse for poor sound quality is your own ability, and you won't improve if you don't recognize that.

I'm really sorry if this sounds cruel, but really the only way to improve is by seeing where your falling short, and working to improve them.

I'm not sure if English is your second language, and its excused if it is, but please work on having readable sentences. I'm not sure what your saying throughout the second half of the post.

ok first off english is my first language i was just in a hurry and forgot to read my post and check for mistakes.

Secondly have you really not heard how bad logic is for electronic music? it has the lowest selection of synths and the synth that can actually be used for the bass wobbles has a low amount of modulation options.

i use logic at school i can not stand it

From me and pyrelight talking on skype.

Thirdly I said it was LOUD in logic, but when I import it sounds really quiet. That is why I have to put it in audacity to make it hearable

Finally here i'll we write the second half of that last message:

I have never heard of dinosaur dub and i don't hate dubstep. I LOVE DUBSTEP. F**k Dubstep is a joke album where we remix people saying how much they hate dubstep.

so i made a bad dubstep song ,not because i hate dubstep ,i am just bad at making it.

sorry if i sounded ragey, it's because i am a bit.
i worked really hard on that song......

[CitricAcid]

I've had similar problems with things sounding loud in Cubase but quiet when I export them; Logic might be giving you the same issue. When I open up Cubase, it takes full control of my audio card, bypassing my volume setting in Windows. It has the same effect as turning my computer's volume all the way up. Then when I mix everything to a comfortable listening level and export it, it sounds quiet when I play it in a media player. I have to turn my computer's volume all the way up for me to hear it the way I heard it in Cubase.

My solution is to turn the master fader in Cubase down to approximately where my computer's volume is set, do an initial mix at a comfortable listening level, then turn it up to listen for those things that I couldn't hear at the quieter volume, tweak the mix, and then master.

As a side note, don't judge the quality of a DAW by the instruments it ships with. That's like judging a game console by what game it ships with. Box-in instruments will always suck compared to instruments you buy separately.

[Berri]

As a side note, don't judge the quality of a DAW by the instruments it ships with. That's like judging a game console by what game it ships with. Box-in instruments will always suck compared to instruments you buy separately.

yeah sorry i that was a bit daft of me ,but i have read that it is bad for electronic music. Unfortunately it is the only DAW i have access to and have ever used.
also i only use logic because when my dad got logic it shipped with three additional download codes and he let me have one.

I've had similar problems with things sounding loud in Cubase but quiet when I export them; Logic might be giving you the same issue. When I open up Cubase, it takes full control of my audio card, bypassing my volume setting in Windows. It has the same effect as turning my computer's volume all the way up. Then when I mix everything to a comfortable listening level and export it, it sounds quiet when I play it in a media player. I have to turn my computer's volume all the way up for me to hear it the way I heard it in Cubase.

And finally everything logic is loud when i use it, but it is still as loud as the rest of the computer (music on soundcloud is as loud as it),but when i goto export it, it becomes really quiet.

My solution is to turn the master fader in Cubase down to approximately where my computer's volume is set, do an initial mix at a comfortable listening level, then turn it up to listen for those things that I couldn't hear at the quieter volume, tweak the mix, and then master.

However i will try to see if i can do this with logic.

[Conduit]

DAWs are really a personal thing, but at the level your producing music at it really wont make a difference. Almost everything you learn in logic will transfer, and be close to the same in other DAWs. Logic's built in synths do kinda suck, but almost everyone uses other vsts anyway, so eventually that wont matter. I've used logic for close to a year now, and honestly I love it. I used ableton before which is something you might eventually want to check out, but like I said, try not to blame the software, people make great music even with free software (look at circutfrys stuff).
Anyway, back to helping with the clipping, you still haven't said anything about the levels. If they're all really low in the DAW, but you have to volume cranked up of course it'll sound quiet on export. Logic also has a volume slider in the bottom right, don't touch it. In most cases if you play with that your entire mix will sound off when you export, although you might want to turn it down if Logic is unusually loud.

[Berri]

yeah so sorry for the hate about logic.

Anyway, back to helping with the clipping, you still haven't said anything about the levels

Also the levels in logic are really high and they still come out quiet when exported.

. I used ableton before which is something you might eventually want to check out

i am currently looking into ableton and i have got the free trial but I have only had it for a day at the current time.
i will also look for alternative vst's for logic

Thank you for the time you have wasted with this stupid song and it's clipping.