musical debate thread

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Ok. We've been getting a lot of debates about music today. Be polite and just keep it here please.

DA RULES

No personal insults. EG:- 'lerl ur gay'

don't spin around and shit on the floor when you hear something you don't like, keep things intelligent.

Insults towards people's music are bad. Feedback is welcome, but insults are not.

[the4thImpulse]

- I like EDM for its bassy nature.
- I like Orcestral stuff for the 'feelings' it more easily draws out from me than most other genres (not that other genres don't, remember its personal).
- I like all the 'scremo' or 'scremed lyrics' genres because I thought it was cool back all those years ago and now I just like it.
- I have not heard a genre I didn't like, although some genres have very few songs I enjoy (like country, there are a select few songs I love).
- Enter Shikari is best band.... in my opinion.


(I like the friendliness so far)

[ghelded_kultz]

I have so many musical debates. Too many for one thread. Eventually they will split off. But here are some prompts, so to say.

• Progressive rock and metal suck for the most part.
• The Velvet Underground are more musically influential (the sound of music as opposed to production techniques, marketing, etc) on modern music than the Beatles.
• Brostep breakdowns/synth freakouts/whatever they're called are harder to listen to than power electronics and harsh noise
• The most Modern Electronic Musical trends (Brostep/Trap/Moobahwhatever/Electro-swing/that sort of stuff) suck
• The Sex Pistols aren't a Boy Band
• Metalcore is metal, not punk
• Black Metal is best metal.
• It's better for a band/project to end while at the top of their game rather than to last for a long time (As a bad example, The Beatles ending vs the Rolling Stones not ending)
• Noise is music.
• Really specific subgenres (Like Blackened-slowgaze) are important (since most people agree that super genres are important/useful this should be a little more interesting)

With more to come as I think of them. I have lots of opinions about music and was actually thinking about making a rant thread, but this works too.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I honestly dislike metal. I give it merit from a musical point of view, it has it's relevance and audience, but I've always kinda hated it.

[ghelded_kultz]

I honestly dislike metal. I give it merit from a musical point of view, it has it's relevance and audience, but I've always kinda hated it.

I have an interesting relationship with metal. I'm fine with the older grindcore (and the other, less death metally grnd subgenres), sludge metal and drone metal, some folk metal, industrial metal, and black metal but otherwise I don't like it all that much. I don't dislike it but still. For the most part it seems too pretentious and virtuoso for me. It doesn't help that my bandmate is a big metal fan.

Adding to this I must add that I don't really like jazz or a lot of classical (the more piano-y things. As the orchestra/band gets bigger, my opinion for it grows).

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I'm a fan of Gotye. And some classical pieces like Pachelbel's canon.

[BlackElectric]

For the most part it seems too pretentious and virtuoso for me.

Wait, you dislike most metal because you think the musicians are too highly skilled?

[ghelded_kultz]

For the most part it seems too pretentious and virtuoso for me.

Wait, you dislike most metal because you think the musicians are too highly skilled?

Yes.

[BlackElectric]

For the most part it seems too pretentious and virtuoso for me.

Wait, you dislike most metal because you think the musicians are too highly skilled?

Yes.

That's... interesting. Can you explain why?

[Nine Volt]

Well...
- I like almost every genre of music except for ones like speedcore and ridiculous ones like that.
- Noise is not music, it is noise. Music is noise, but not all noise is music.
- Uber specific subsubsubgenres are pointless.
- I like Taylor Swift's music and think she is a very talented singer.
- Slipknot and Disturbed are the only two even partially screamo bands I really like.

[WoodenToaster]

I like music.

[Nine Volt]

I like music.

[ghelded_kultz]

For the most part it seems too pretentious and virtuoso for me.

Wait, you dislike most metal because you think the musicians are too highly skilled?

Yes.

And I find that to be a completely ridiculous reason as well. Just because not having high skill doesn't necessarily mean your music is bad doesn't mean that having high skill means your music is bad.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[ghelded_kultz]

To begin: Sorry for the double post. My partner seems to have been here in my absence.

That's... interesting. Can you explain why?

I probably should since yes isn't quite what I meant (I was attempting to be provocative). There's a few reason, of which subconscious jealousy is probably one. But the big thing is that there is a point when the talent, the technique, the skill, overtakes, in my prideful opinion, the expressive heart and soul of the music. When it becomes mechanical over organic. Good musicians (not just technically good ones, but ones who can fuse all aspects of music) can avoid this at least for a while, but if talent and technique is forced too much, it will happen. I think as far as genres go, metal gets hit up the worst by this, especially genres like progressive metal, technical death metal and especially neoclassical metal. With a lot of the bands they have these great guitarists (I should mention I am specifically attacking the guitar, I'm more of less fine with crazy bass and drums parts, though my favorite beat is the motorik) but they can't write good songs. It's not that I am against good playing. For example Rolling Stone (a magazine which I hate to mention because of it's 60s bias) put Thurston Moore and Lee Ronaldo as #34 and #33 respectively on their 100 Greatest Guitarists (Spin put them at #1 for their list) and I love these guys and their band (Sonic Youth). But they managed to do new things with the guitar and add emotional depths that I find lacking in quite a bit of metal.

I should mention that I hate the worship of the guitar and I don't like it when people assume that because some can play scales really fast on a guitar they are a good musician. I find it to be a tool and one that has its potential explored a lot better by people like Moore, Ronaldo, Glenn Branca, or even Alan Sparhawk (Solo Guitar is a pretty awesome album) than Yngwie Malstrom or Eddie Van Halen.

So not too highly skilled (it was a bad choice of words) but too skilled in technique and not in musicianship. But I am sure that many people will disagree with me.

Also should mention that my tastes are very mention set in punk.

-Uber specific subsubsubgenres are pointless

Well yeah, they are when they go that far down the chain. But surely you agree that outside of itunes, music should be classified beyond "Rock" "Electronic" "Jazz" "Classical" "World" etc?

- Slipknot and Disturbed are the only two even partially screamo bands I really like.

This sentence hurts me. Not because you like Slipknot and Disturbed (I'm slowly getting better about respecting people's choices) but because you stooped to music journalist levels in calling them even partially screamo. At least you didn't call them outright screamo. As far as the topic at hand, I don't really like (well I haven't listened to much) screamo proper but I do like screamed vocals.

- I like Taylor Swift's music and think she is a very talented singer.

While I don't like Taylor Swift, I will admit she has a pretty good voice. Not that I care about vocal quality *shifty eyes*

While we are discussing things that might be considered embarrassing, I liked this more than I will admit off the internet.

- Noise is not music, it is noise. Music is noise, but not all noise is music.

I left this one for last because we've already briefly had this discussion. I will just ask a single question: How aren't these music?

All these songs incorporate various amounts of noise in them yet have clear (and complex) compositional techniques and musicality. More, I would argue, than some more generic rock/pop/electronic songs.

I like music.

Controversial, aren't we?

[itroitnyah]

I like music.

/thread. We're done here, everybody pack up, we can leave now.

Anyways, I like almost all music except for Jazz, the blues, speedcore, glitchhop or other glitch, and house isn't my favorite genre, I guess because it's more of a subbass with another melody made by the lead synth put on top of it. I like dubstep because it has more of a bassline that's modulated or something. I guess everybodies opinions are their own. Genres are more of a developed taste.

[ghelded_kultz]

Genres are more of a developed taste.

Definitely. A couple of years ago I didn't like any electronic music (or punk for that matter) and now I listen and even enjoy it all the time. And just the other day I was noticing how normal power electronics was seeming to my ears.

[Symphon]

I like music.

THIS OFFENDS ME (Ignore the pony time comment up top. :I )

In all seriousness, I got a few opinions of my own.

1. General genres and subgenres I like. House is good. Progressive House is good. As soon as you get over-complicated, though, it starts to be just annoying. No, Post-Moombahstep is not a genre. No, I do not want to hear your pre-progressive-metal-hardcore-electrock-punk song.

2. There are very very very very very few genres I don't like. The only ones I specifically don't like, which is gospel (I just... Kinda don't. It's hard to explain completely), speedcore (with a few exceptions), harsh noise (WHAT IS THIS?! WHAT IS MY LIFE?), and really hard metal, like on the screamo side (I just hate most screaming songs).

3. skril+ es best dobstep d00d lawl
3a. I actually don't dislike Skrillex. I find his fame to be a bit overhyped, especially over which songs he's famous for, but he's not bad. I just wish someone like Klaypex or the likes got more popular.

4. I find artists that literally stick to one genre a bit too restrictive. Y'know, most labeled artists. Of course, that's not their faults, since they're signed onto a label that says "MAKE THIS." I'm talking about artists that willingly stick to only one genre *COUGHmostdubstepguysCOUGH*. I get that you might like that genre, but music is about expression, I feel, and if you're not at least making money from your devotion, try to expand your horizons a bit.

5. Last point kinda gives me my next point. I hate... Hate hate hate hate it when people make music -just to get popular.- *flips table*

6. I'm offensive and find this very filly.

[ghelded_kultz]

1. General genres and subgenres I like. House is good. Progressive House is good. As soon as you get over-complicated, though, it starts to be just annoying. No, Post-Moombahstep is not a genre. No, I do not want to hear your pre-progressive-metal-hardcore-electrock-punk song.

Pretty much this. Three elements for the most part is a good maximum. So Progressive Electro House is okay but not Progressive Electro Tech-House.

[colortwelve]

Hey look, I've got opinions on the Internet!

-I don't like genres, I like music. To this end, I don't freak out about subgenre classification, instead lumping them into larger groups so that I can attempt to balance out all of the styles in my collection.
-Music is not noise, it is organized sound. Noise implies disorder that's unaware of its own disorder - intentional dissonance is different from persistent dissonance that doesn't know what consonance is.
-I find most country music horrid because, moreso than any other genre, the vocalists tend to coat everything they utter with an atrocious accent which blurs vocalists together so well that I can only distinguish three voices - generic male, generic female, and Johnny Cash (mind you, this last one I do like).
-EDM is based on the motion of energy, not musical ideas, but the best EDM combines both. Compare older deadmau5 to most modern tracks by Feed Me; the latter bends both energy and music to his will in a way that makes sense, the former just spat out generic dancey tracks for a few years before really getting down to making musically good things.
-Progressive music is good because it experiments with the way one can combine musical ideas. In the best cases (i.e. Opeth, Dream Theater, Periphery), it works and you have a coherent musical journey that explores various sounds thoroughly before concluding. In the worst cases (i.e. Pain of Salvation and some of the less astounding work by Between the Buried and Me), it tires the listener because the focus has become cramming lots of ideas into a confined space rather than exploring each idea to its end.
-Pop music, as formulaic and overplayed as it is, is getting better because of the combination of genres in the mainstream right now. Five years ago, you couldn't turn to a pop station and hear indie rock, house, dubstep, and K-pop all back to back.
-Music is hard to make well no matter how you do it. Shut up.

[Chang31ing]

I like anything I think sounds good, but that being said, I generally only like Metal and Electronic.
Country isn't too bad but I don't wanna constantly hear it, and the vast majority of Rap it just...no.
I don't have anything against Orchestral music, but i also usually don't listen to it.

buuuuuut, when it comes to pony, I don't think I care what it is.

one more thing (just because I like saying it, and people constantly get it wrong)
Screaming does not make it "Screamo"

[LoreRD]

Like 4th, I have yet to hear a genre that I could never see myself enjoying, however few song I actually enjoy in that genre (unless it's some noise-related genre, like this. Sorry, it's just not for me ).
I like different genres mostly depending on mood.

And I love a lot of progressive rock/metal (what's with all the dislike of it here? :S). From a composition standpoint, it's far more detailed, interesting and technically challenging than most other genres. A lot of the time, it's more of a complete picture than, say, Punk, or Rock 'n Roll (I like these genres, too, just for different reasons). That being said, the lyrics are pretentious at times, I'll give you guys that. And my favorite Progressive metal/rock band isn't Dream Theater, it's Rush or Opeth.

Yes, it's better to quit early on if continuing would harm your legacy, but that doesn't mean that bands that have around for a long time are always bad. Just look at Rush and U2 (....and as a counterpoint, look at The Rolling Stones and AC/DC....*sigh*).

[itroitnyah]

I HATE it to death when a new producer comes onto the scene and shows off a song that they made using presets for their synths and then thinks that they're hot shit when some people like it, so they boast their work like they're going to get signed for it. I suppose everybody gets prideful somewhat when they make their first song, but there are always the few who have bloated egos.

It also really annoys me when people create their songs using synth presets instead of making their own.

[the4thImpulse]

I HATE it to death when a new producer comes onto the scene and shows off a song that they made using presets for their synths and then thinks that they're hot shit when some people like it, so they boast their work like they're going to get signed for it. I suppose everybody gets prideful somewhat when they make their first song, but there are always the few who have bloated egos.

It also really annoys me when people create their songs using synth presets instead of making their own.

What I hate more is when I listen to the top40 selections on beatport or the radio and I can name the presets and samples they used.

Sometimes when I am listening to the top 100 tracks in a given genre on beatport I hear the same patches on multiple track. Once in the house section I heard the same lead style pluck on around 20% of the tracks.

[Raddons]

I like music.

I hate music.

[soultensionbenjamin]

Pop music with auto tuned vocals (I do not need this in my life).