"Play C-Major"

[Symphon]

Okay, so, just recently I got into a fight with my sister. She was swearing up and down she knew more about music than I did. She just wouldn't shut up about that "fact."

"Music has been part of my life since ever!"

So, I get fed up with her, go to my room, and fetch my keyboard. I bring it out, put it in front of my sister, and say to her in a calm voice,

"Play C-major."

She looked at me like I asked her to wrestle a shark.

Mind you the only reason she thinks she knows more than me is because I "make techno music" (IT'S NOT TECHNO, BITCH.)

Either way, the point of this is to ask this: What is the most ridiculous argument you've ever gotten into regarding music?

[Kushy Kallous]

My retarded-music-arguments usually revolve around genres.

I think the worst one I had was concerning the use of the term "Alternative Music."

[Motivfs]

I never got into an argument regarding music, because honestly, I know where I sit in terms of how much I know, and frankly, that's not that much.

But agreed with Kushy, genres would be the only thing that would catch me into an argument, yet all of those arguments I see are on YT and I don't even bother... Because y'know, it's YT..

[TheMalenEst]

I have been through the same thing but with an old friend. He always boasted about that he was the greatest guitar player and that he knew every chords and scales on guitar. So i told him to play Pentatonic (Minor) and he was all like.. What are you talking about? That's not even a real scale dude...

[itroitnyah]

I don't argue about music very often. The one time I remember is when my mom was super convinced that I won't be able to get my own home studio because I won't be able to save up enough money, and my dreams wouldn't come true.

Well, I may have a job really soon, and when I do... I'll invest in my own computer and monitors pretty much right away, finish paying off the exchange trip for germany, then acoustically treat my room. Bam, what now, mom? Home studio, RIGHT DER. Well, more like bedroom studio, lol. Then after all that and after I have a car and nice videocard for my computer (which I'm going to guy after I've payed for Germany), I may invest in a nice pair of headphones. Now that's a pretty awesome studio right there. I would have to invest in more hardware later, which I'll think about when the time comes to it, but I'll get my home studio, and my mom will be left to contemplate how my college education is going to turn out, lol.

[Nine Volt]

Genres. Not on youtube though, in real life. I don't really talk about music much in real life though, despite how much time I spend on it.

[Motivfs]

Genres. Not on youtube though, in real life. I don't really talk about music much in real life though, despite how much time I spend on it.

I don't talk about music in real life much either because quite honestly, everyone elses music preferences differ from mine (I have not met one person who likes Drum & Bass, or even knows what it is).

This is why I want to move to Europe.

[ChocolateChicken]

Genres, mostly. I got into an argument with my buddy about what Speedcore is. He argued that speedcore is at a normal house tempo, 130 to 150bpm, even after listening to a speedcore song. As a musician, I think it's my job to not care about genres at all, but to know about them for the sake of others.

Also, arguments about who the best band ever is, and what the best instrument is.

[Symphon]

Genres, mostly. I got into an argument with my buddy about what Speedcore is. He argued that speedcore is at a normal house tempo, 130 to 150bpm, even after listening to a speedcore song. As a musician, I think it's my job to not care about genres at all, but to know about them for the sake of others.

Also, arguments about who the best band ever is, and what the best instrument is.

I don't see why that last part is even an argument. Best band is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFoS9bho2Ww and the greatest instrument is obviously the ukulele. Argument over.

[itroitnyah]

Also, arguments about who the best band ever is, and what the best instrument is.

Don't remind me of arguments like that -_- every time I go onto an Omnipony video, it seems 1/2 the comments are "Skrillex ain't got nothing on this!" or "Skrillex sucks!" or something, and it pisses me off soooo much. I understand that the majority of the audience that listens to either musicians don't own expensive speakers or headphones so they can't really tell that Omni and Skrill are just about equal levels at mixing and mastering, and they're both just about equally good at sound design, and they all have their own personal prefernces, but the bigotry of some of these people just.... ergh. And then one time, I tried to express my opinion after somebody made a reply to one other comment on one of Omni's videos that said "NEVER COMPARE OMNI TO SKRILLEX" so I made a rebutal about how they're equals, and then this one completely conceited douchebag decided to pull out the "you're a faggot because you like Skrillex" argument. I made a my reply, and he replied to me not once... but SIX times! All with arguments about how I have a pea sized brain and am a faggot and other stuff like that. AND to further prove he was a conceited douchebag, he literally said "[something about me being young and immature]... I am a mature 15 year old"... Just... asdlkughakjvgliudgh. So I gave my responses, and once again, he replied about 6 times. To make matters worse, there was another idiot in the comments cheering him on and saying that his constant "you're so fucking stupid itroitnyah, you make me want to bang my head against a wall" comments were "pwnage" towards me.... But wait, it gets better. THIS SAME GUY that was making about 6 replies to me at a time had thee AUDACITY to go onto one of my videos and tell me that "If you work a bit harder, you could become a good dj" and he followed it up by saying "I used to make music too" which doesn't even qualify him to go around saying stupid shit like that because that past tense "used to" means he doesn't anymore, and he didn't even have any music on his channel, and if he did, I strongly suspect that it would have been horrible quality and horribly composed and mixed. Does it get better? yes it does. for the following couple of months following that douches ignorant comments, I would get occasional replies from people telling me how stupid they think I am, that I would DARE to compare Omni with Skrillex. One idiot even divided dubstep into "grades" based on how long you've been listening to dubstep (grade 1 would be discovering Skrillex, grade 2 becoming a major skrillex fanboy, grade 3 hearing other dubstep, refusing to believe that anything could be better than skrillex, grade 4 going on to discover more dubstep) and tell me that I was in grade 2 on his chart, even though I already knew about some of the other names out there are the time, like Document One, Flux, Knife Party, Adventure Club, Kap Slap, Delta Heavy, Butch Clancy, you get the idea. Sheesh, some idiots these days.


And then the other half of the comments are "I'm not a brony, but their music is great!" or something. And this phenomenon only ever occurs with Omni's music, as far as I know. Not sure why though. Of course the statistics are pretty exaggerated, but you get the idea.

[Magnitude Zero]

Also, arguments about who the best band ever is, and what the best instrument is.

Don't remind me of arguments like that -_- every time I go onto an Omnipony video, it seems 1/2 the comments are "Skrillex ain't got nothing on this!" or "Skrillex sucks!" or something, and it pisses me off soooo much. I understand that the majority of the audience that listens to either musicians don't own expensive speakers or headphones so they can't really tell that Omni and Skrill are just about equal levels at mixing and mastering, and they're both just about equally good at sound design, and they all have their own personal prefernces, but the bigotry of some of these people just.... ergh. And then one time, I tried to express my opinion after somebody made a reply to one other comment on one of Omni's videos that said "NEVER COMPARE OMNI TO SKRILLEX" so I made a rebutal about how they're equals, and then this one completely conceited douchebag decided to pull out the "you're a faggot because you like Skrillex" argument. I made a my reply, and he replied to me not once... but SIX times! All with arguments about how I have a pea sized brain and am a faggot and other stuff like that. AND to further prove he was a conceited douchebag, he literally said "[something about me being young and immature]... I am a mature 15 year old"... Just... asdlkughakjvgliudgh. So I gave my responses, and once again, he replied about 6 times. To make matters worse, there was another idiot in the comments cheering him on and saying that his constant "you're so fucking stupid itroitnyah, you make me want to bang my head against a wall" comments were "pwnage" towards me.... But wait, it gets better. THIS SAME GUY that was making about 6 replies to me at a time had thee AUDACITY to go onto one of my videos and tell me that "If you work a bit harder, you could become a good dj" and he followed it up by saying "I used to make music too" which doesn't even qualify him to go around saying stupid shit like that because that past tense "used to" means he doesn't anymore, and he didn't even have any music on his channel, and if he did, I strongly suspect that it would have been horrible quality and horribly composed and mixed. Does it get better? yes it does. for the following couple of months following that douches ignorant comments, I would get occasional replies from people telling me how stupid they think I am, that I would DARE to compare Omni with Skrillex. One idiot even divided dubstep into "grades" based on how long you've been listening to dubstep (grade 1 would be discovering Skrillex, grade 2 becoming a major skrillex fanboy, grade 3 hearing other dubstep, refusing to believe that anything could be better than skrillex, grade 4 going on to discover more dubstep) and tell me that I was in grade 2 on his chart, even though I already knew about some of the other names out there are the time, like Document One, Flux, Knife Party, Adventure Club, Kap Slap, Delta Heavy, Butch Clancy, you get the idea. Sheesh, some idiots these days.


And then the other half of the comments are "I'm not a brony, but their music is great!" or something. And this phenomenon only ever occurs with Omni's music, as far as I know. Not sure why though. Of course the statistics are pretty exaggerated, but you get the idea.

Holy shit, dude.

If he pissed you off that much, why the hell would you keep responding to him?

[Nine Volt]

Don't remind me of arguments like that -_- every time I go onto an Omnipony video, it seems 1/2 the comments are "Skrillex ain't got nothing on this!" or "Skrillex sucks!" or something, and it pisses me off soooo much. I understand that the majority of the audience that listens to either musicians don't own expensive speakers or headphones so they can't really tell that Omni and Skrill are just about equal levels at mixing and mastering, and they're both just about equally good at sound design, and they all have their own personal prefernces, but the bigotry of some of these people just.... ergh. And then one time, I tried to express my opinion after somebody made a reply to one other comment on one of Omni's videos that said "NEVER COMPARE OMNI TO SKRILLEX" so I made a rebutal about how they're equals, and then this one completely conceited douchebag decided to pull out the "you're a faggot because you like Skrillex" argument. I made a my reply, and he replied to me not once... but SIX times! All with arguments about how I have a pea sized brain and am a faggot and other stuff like that. AND to further prove he was a conceited douchebag, he literally said "[something about me being young and immature]... I am a mature 15 year old"... Just... asdlkughakjvgliudgh. So I gave my responses, and once again, he replied about 6 times. To make matters worse, there was another idiot in the comments cheering him on and saying that his constant "you're so fucking stupid itroitnyah, you make me want to bang my head against a wall" comments were "pwnage" towards me.... But wait, it gets better. THIS SAME GUY that was making about 6 replies to me at a time had thee AUDACITY to go onto one of my videos and tell me that "If you work a bit harder, you could become a good dj" and he followed it up by saying "I used to make music too" which doesn't even qualify him to go around saying stupid shit like that because that past tense "used to" means he doesn't anymore, and he didn't even have any music on his channel, and if he did, I strongly suspect that it would have been horrible quality and horribly composed and mixed. Does it get better? yes it does. for the following couple of months following that douches ignorant comments, I would get occasional replies from people telling me how stupid they think I am, that I would DARE to compare Omni with Skrillex. One idiot even divided dubstep into "grades" based on how long you've been listening to dubstep (grade 1 would be discovering Skrillex, grade 2 becoming a major skrillex fanboy, grade 3 hearing other dubstep, refusing to believe that anything could be better than skrillex, grade 4 going on to discover more dubstep) and tell me that I was in grade 2 on his chart, even though I already knew about some of the other names out there are the time, like Document One, Flux, Knife Party, Adventure Club, Kap Slap, Delta Heavy, Butch Clancy, you get the idea. Sheesh, some idiots these days.


And then the other half of the comments are "I'm not a brony, but their music is great!" or something. And this phenomenon only ever occurs with Omni's music, as far as I know. Not sure why though. Of course the statistics are pretty exaggerated, but you get the idea.

Holy wall of text batman

But I know exactly what you mean. Going on to a random electronic song and seeing 40+% Skrillex comments is just annoying and isn't even relevant considering a lot of them aren't even dubstep, plus Skrillex himself is trying to move away from that kind of music (ie the Leaving EP).

But I have to disagree with your statement that Omni and Skrillex are at the same level of skill. Skrillex is a professional level producer who has been producing for (most likely) longer than Omni. His production skills are very high and while Omni is certainly not bad, he does not possess the same skills as Skrillex. However, I respect your opinion and would like you to keep in mind that this is just my own opinion and I don't want an argument over something stupid like this.

Also, not all 15 year olds are immature. Just saying.



As for more stupid arguments, I once had a friend try to tell me that deadmau5 was dubstep. asuofhbaqwu9nefmioanvoasdjfx.

[itroitnyah]

Holy shit, dude.

If he pissed you off that much, why the hell would you keep responding to him?

Because I love to argue. Like, I don't compete in the school debate team or anything (I don't think that my school even has one), but my dad did. Because he loved to argue as well. Me and my dad just love to argue. I can't really explain what it is, but there's just something satisfactory about arguing. Which, this makes me really receptacle to trolls and stuff, but whatever. I just love to argue :3

Holy wall of text batman

But I know exactly what you mean. Going on to a random electronic song and seeing 40+% Skrillex comments is just annoying and isn't even relevant considering a lot of them aren't even dubstep, plus Skrillex himself is trying to move away from that kind of music (ie the Leaving EP).

But I have to disagree with your statement that Omni and Skrillex are at the same level of skill. Skrillex is a professional level producer who has been producing for (most likely) longer than Omni. His production skills are very high and while Omni is certainly not bad, he does not possess the same skills as Skrillex. However, I respect your opinion and would like you to keep in mind that this is just my own opinion and I don't want an argument over something stupid like this.

Really? I actually think that Skrill and Omni are about equal. There are some ways in which Skrill is better than omnipony and vice versa, but they're just about equal in skill in my book, once you factor in the better than and worse than aspects of both. But you know, I guess now that I think about it, Skrillex is a bit better overall. I guess I'll just say they're equals because the rest of the audience will bitch at me a ton if I say that Skrill is better than Omni. I just wanna become famous in the fandom just so I can say that and get a ton of people pissed at me, lol.

Also, not all 15 year olds are immature. Just saying.

Yeah, I know. But a lot of them are. Enough that it's safe to generalize 15 year olds as immature. In fact, I'd just say that all High Schoolers are immature, and it isn't until near the end of college that they really start to become the mature that we define it as.

[Nine Volt]

Also, not all 15 year olds are immature. Just saying.

Yeah, I know. But a lot of them are. Enough that it's safe to generalize 15 year olds as immature. In fact, I'd just say that all High Schoolers are immature, and it isn't until near the end of college that they really start to become the mature that we define it as.

Maybe I'm an exception (although I realize I haven't exactly acted maturely on this forum )

[topitmunkeydog]

My sister is a directioner.
My life is a hell-hole.
'Nuff said.

[itroitnyah]

Maybe I'm an exception (although I realize I haven't exactly acted maturely on this forum )

Haha, well, that also happens to be a trait of 15 year olds or other high schoolers; to point to themselves as being more mature than others. Not saying that makes you immature, but that brings up other questionable personality traits that you may have that may point to immaturity. And yes, I am 15 (16 in one month) too, and that does not exclude me from the immature group. I can quite easily say that I am one of the members of that group.

inb4 this turns into a thread about maturity.

I really don't understand people who argue about genres. I have just given up trying to decide what music is which genre anymore. There are so many subgenres that I just don't care. I'll slap "dubstep" onto a song I made because that's what I want to label it, and if somebody wants to argue me then whatever.

[Nine Volt]

Maybe I'm an exception (although I realize I haven't exactly acted maturely on this forum )

Haha, well, that also happens to be a trait of 15 year olds or other high schoolers; to point to themselves as being more mature than others. Not saying that makes you immature, but that brings up other questionable personality traits that you may have that may point to immaturity. And yes, I am 15 (16 in one month) too, and that does not exclude me from the immature group. I can quite easily say that I am one of the members of that group.

I suppose you're right about that.

But yes, let us post forth further shenaniganulous quarrels for the fair denizens of the My Little Remix community (inb4 'you suxx at try sound fancy bro')

[Nine Volt]

I believe there are forms of EDM which are complex and difficult to make (well), but I would never go as far as saying there is one 'toughest' genre. Each genre presents its own challenges, some more than others, but none can say that they are the most difficult to produce. (inb4 genre war)

Also, acoustic v. electronic arguments always piss me off.

I am of the personal belief that acoustic instruments and electronic instruments (for lack of a better term) are equally difficult to play well. If anything, I'd say that electronic music is harder to make (well) as a solo artist vs an acoustic band because you have to worry about all the nuances of a song, such as drum work, mixing, mastering. And don't say that I'm just saying that because I've never used an acoustic instrument; I play the guitar decently and I'm starting to try to learn piano.

[XXDarkShadow79XX]

I hope the term "Brostep" is slowly ripped apart, set on fire, shot, beaten, then thrown off of a cliff.

[Nine Volt]

I wouldn't say that electronic instruments are nearly as "difficult" to play, and yes i've played them, but I also accept that your ability to do these things is dependent on your opinions as a musician.
So again, that's invalid.

Likewise.

The idea that writing a song in midi is equally as difficult as writing a song and then playing it acoustically is another thing that I find laughably flawed.

Care to back up this statement at all? Writing any kind of music is difficult (yes, even house, if you're not too good at chord theory). Synth design and physically playing something are not exactly counterparts, but playing a physical instrument is not hard once you've got the technique, practice, and skill. Not as hard as synth design, but then again I never said it was.

I also personally believe that genres that command a strong knowledge of classical theory are more musically difficult than those that generally don't.
For example: Classical vs EDM.

Kyoga, I would honestly like to see you attempt to make dubstep or even (god forbid) house. You seem to believe that EDM takes no skill, or at least much less skill than, say, orchestral or ambient. Dubstep, for example, requires a surprising amount of skill to make both interesting and enjoyable.

If your argument includes the statement that sound design is difficult, then you're more than welcome to take the ideas of Dark or Darkpath ambient which utilize the more advance concepts of music theory while also utilizing the more advanced sides of sound design.
It doesn't count as EDM under normal circumstances, but it IS completely synthesized.

And what would these 'more advanced' concepts of music theory be, exactly? I see the more advanced sides of sound design (I've heard your music before) but I am honestly interested in what 'advanced concepts' you utilize. Perhaps I could even look into them and apply them to my own 'simplistic' music.

I also won't say that any genre is more difficult than another by default, but if one were to be the most difficult, I can bet my left foot and either eye that house wouldn't be it.

Likewise. House is generally quite simplistic in construction, despite the deceptive complexity of some of the common sounds.

As of playing acoustic instruments for most of my life, I found the transition to moving over to piano-like synthesizers (any electronic keyboard) to be laughably easy.
I rarely hear Keyboard players picking up the guitar and rattling away at it with ease, but I suppose a piano would be an apt and fair thing to assume they can play.... right...?

Indeed. I used to play trombone. Back when I was doing that, I could probably switch over to the baritone horn quite easily.

And here's the thing, nine-volt.
Coming from a guy who does in fact write music for both the electronic spectrum and the acoustic spectrum, I feel that my opinion should be as useful as any other.

OK, Kyoga, if I ever implied that your opinion was inherently less valuable than mine, I sincerely apologize and really didn't mean to come off that way.

Also, my name is not hyphenated

The acoustic stuff that i have produced (in and out of the alias "Kyoga") has been by default FAR more difficult to make, mix and master than electronic music. This is especially true for the fact that the use of microphones is necessary, therefore forcing any acoustic musician to learn yet another branch of music technology before they can start producing.

As someone who has no experience with the creation of acoustic music (being merely a half-decent guitar player by hobby and not a composer of music), my opinions are most likely flawed and I'll admit I have no right to say anything definitive about it.

But the fact also remains that in spite of the fact that you can write anything you want into a midi-sheet or piano roll, you can't just "write" the music and have it be so. You have to actually have the talent to play it, and that requires many many years of experience on behalf of that one particular instrumentalist. When you have a rock band, for example, the accumulation of their experience and expertise in their instrument serve as testimonial as to why it's harder and requires more practice and experience to be an instrumental musician than it does to be an electronic one. You actually have to have the skill to play what you write in the acoustic world.
In the electronic world, you do not.

Yes, physically, acoustic music may be harder to play. But that does not change the inherent musical skill and practice it takes to create a good dubstep drop (sorry that I keep going back to dubstep, I'm not trying to 'defend' that genre in particular, it's just easy for examples sake). It just means that acoustic takes longer to get better at, a point which I will not be arguing.

so at the end of the day the split is this.
We make different genres of music and they sound different and they work different and that's fine and dandy BUT, At the end of the day, the acoustic musician has to actually have the skill to write the piece AND play the instrument, whereas the electronic musician is only in charge of the writing process.

...and the technical aspects like mixing, mastering, and sound design.

But I will concede that you are making a few good points and are starting to shift my opinion. Starting.

Also, I understand, nine volt, that you want to defend the electronic portion of music because... you know... that's what you do, but don't assert it to be something it's not. There's no shame in having a music style that's based on simplicity, but there is shame in trying to exclaim it's complexity to those who can demonstrate that that is not the case.

Again, Kyoga... I would greatly love to see your attempt at a good EDM song. You seem to truly underestimate how difficult it is to make a good song and the complexity that goes in to making a professional level song.

I am not trying to say I make complex music. I don't. I will fully and readily admit that. I'm arguing with you because you have a blatantly biased opinion about the complexity of most modern EDM. From the way you are arguing it seems to me that you've never really considered how deceptively difficult some forms of EDM can be to make. Plus, you can't tell me that a rock band is really that complex.

There are usually four 'instruments': Vocals, bass guitar, lead guitar, and drums. Yes, these all must work perfectly together and it takes an incredible amount of skill to play almost flawlessly throughout an entire track (in recording and especially live), but when you break it down to the bare components it's still only four pieces. These pieces may take more skill individually, but when you break it down the average rock band is not as complex as you're making it seem.

And about wanting to defend it because it's what I do...
How would you like it if I told you that ambient is basically just some pads and nature sounds drenched in reverb, no more complex than that. Pisses you off, right? You yourself know that ambient is more than that.

Sorry if some/all of this doesn't really make sense, it's 1 in the morning here.

I suggest that we take any further arguments to PMs to stop cluttering up this thread.

[bartekko]

^ Most ridiculous argument About music kyoga and nine volt ever got in

[Symphon]

Well that just happened.

[topitmunkeydog]

It doesn't really seem like an argument though. If that is an argument it has got to be the friendliest argument I have ever seen (are you both Canadian? )

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Hard to say. I've been in a zillion little tiffs about electronic music not being music. But none of them stand out. Just people who assume that since they listen to Metal and Rock means they know everything about music.

[DJAngo]

I use to be real bad about getting into arguments about music. Genre, theory, history, etc etc. Just a lot of stuff that really wasn't worth fighting over and I've found, after realizing none of that shit was important, that I really don't feel the need to argue any more. I still have my opinions, but I just enjoy what I enjoy.

Is there a part of me that still flares up when I hear someone say something absolutely ludicrous? Yeah, but its not nearly the "YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG, YOU ASSHOLE!" kind of reaction that it use to be.