well eh, i got a bit mad and made this video about us bronis

[aap998]

please tell me what you think! do I have some flawed attitude towards somepony?

[Freewave]

you sounds like a BBC narrator, quite the voice. i agree that those animations aren't something i enjoy at all. i think they're pretty offensive. this is a pretty good video, stuff that needed to be said.

[aap998]

heh, the voice is from some text to speech website that lets you listen to free samples, you can type anything and he'll say it! pretty fun to play around with it http://www.ivona.com/en/
ill look into the comments on youtube and here more in depth tommorow

[Freewave]

really? that's a hell of a lot better then google translator, thats for sure. impressive.

[Navron]

I wouldn't say it's a flawed attitude, but rather a flawed outlook and delivery.

The brony community has more deep rooted issues that are much harder to address, rather than saying the .mov series has influenced more of the vulgar community.

- Luna being changed in S2 created an outcry.
- Pony Archive being shut down created an outcry.
- Derpy getting censored created an absolutely stupid big outcry and response.
- Rumors of the S2 finale have already created an outcry.

^^^Those situations are what I view as the biggest threat to the community. It resembles very closely to how Sonic fans were at eachothers throats, not knowing what they really wanted, and simply getting mad at everything the company did differently.

I say it's the biggest threat, because those situations in the sonic fandom were what ended up killing it.

But it's not just the outcry, but the divide as well. Which is why IMO, you should take down your video, for it will end up doing nothing save for widen the gap that's already there.

So how do we address these issues without widening the gap farther? Simply posting about it will create drama. Same with making videos, etc. How do you address community issues, without creating drama?

The answer, is in examples.

Don't feed the drama. Whatever situation it may be, don't address them directly. Don't acknowledge them, don't agree with them, and don't disagree with them.

Stop fueling the fire! This is why I've lost a lot of respect for Sethisto. He frequently keeps fueling the fire with updates on whatever the situation might be.
*Telling bronies to act mature while posting updates to Save Derpy petitions and/or Pony Archive responses, is not going to do anything except the opposite.*

What I see are people like Sethisto, Alex S, Omnipony, and other big influences on the community, getting involved with the situations. Whether that's by posting their own opinion for their fans to read, creating something out of the situation, etc, it all contributes to more drama, and feeding the fire.

We need to set the example.

Continue to promote charitable drives such as Seeds of Kindness and Balloon Party, while at the same time not letting our fans see our community getting involved and/or promoting the same drama.

[Pickslide1992]

Agreed. I personally like the .mov series, if for the animation alone (Big Ren and Stimpy fan here). I'm with Navy Brony on this one, there are bigger fish that threaten the community more than Hot Diggety Demon's series. Pony Archive was a piece of drama started by the butthurt site owners while the Derpy situation was stupid at best. I hate to say it, but a lot of these "controversies" are pretty idiotic, and not to say your video is flawed, since I am not a fan of rule 34 stuff myself, but it's parody. Bronies know it's parody, non bronies know it's parody (At least the ones I showed these videos to), not something that summarizes the entire fandom.

[Navron]

The Hot Diggety Demon's videos aren't really considered r34, or even close. Nor does r34 threaten the community. After all, r34 and the term, "clopping," have been around the community longer than I have, so it's nothing new.

What I don't like seeing, is EqD promoting that stuff, which is a double standard at best, considering on one hand, EqD refuses to post clopfics, r34, and cupcakes related stuff, but on the other, it seems perfectly fine to post saucy pictures and/or jokes related to clopping on there, such as:

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/02/s ... -book.html
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/g ... -chop.html
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/02/t ... -pony.html

Just as a few examples. Not to mention that poll Seth made asking what kind of pony fan people were, which included a, "Clop clop clop," option, later with Seth pointing out something along the lines of, "About 20% of you are into it."

Now, I understand that this is Seth's blog, but here's the catch:
It's no longer Seth's blog.
I'm not talking overall ownership. I'm talking perception.

Equestria Daily is not viewed from the outside as, "Seth's Blog." It's viewed as the, "official," MLP fan page, and represents the brony community as a whole. Thus, what we're into as bronies is directly related to what is posted on EqD.

If clopping is frequently referenced, in addition to saucy pictures, the perception is most bronies are into clopping, which, if somebody is, fine on them, but that's not what I want MY perception to be.

EqD has come a long way though, and I think the admins are starting to catch onto the idea that whatever they post influences the community and the perception of it, but there's still work to be done.

Sometimes I wish people would take a step back and look how their actions can influence the perception of others.

[aap998]

thanks for your insightful posts.

Youve got some points spot on, but I also dissagree with some.

maybe it wasn't that clear in the video, but I gave the .mov series as an example because it's such a recent hit. when i mentioned people being offended by certain art, certain fanmovies and certain fanfics, I'm also talking about rule 34, clopping and other offensive stuff playing part.

I really like the idea of setting the example. also, i'm not trying to fuel the fire. i want to create a dialogue between bronies who arn't into the gorey and sexual stuff, and between the bronies who are. I probabely should have choosen my words better. when i said:

" the offended mustn't just keep their mouth shuts for the sake of peace within the community."

This wasn't intended as a cry for war. this is a cry for dialogue. lately, whenever I have some critisism i'm told to shut up and tolerate. and THIS is the flaw!

" Instead, I call for the bronies with more extreme tastes to adjust themselves and take in consideration the affect of their comments, actions among fellow bronies who might have different opinions."

from some comments on youtube i conclude that some people didn't fully understand what i ment, my fault. Ill try to rephrase. With "adjust themselves" I don't mean they should just stop doing what they like, that would be unrealistic. What I did ment is that they should be considerative (is that a word?). to take a real life example, you wouldn't, say, get into a mosk and eat pork. it's disrespectful. it's a value we, on the internet, have almost forgotten.

only when there is respect from both ways, a community can thrive.
that should have been the bottom line of the little clip.

I might delete it if it's causing too much commotion, and do a better version of it with more tact.

[LunchBagMusic]

All intentions disregarded, it comes across like you are saying:

"I don't like R34/.mov/whatever, and when I tell people this, they tell me to shut up and go away. I think that these people need to stop making these things so that I don't tell them I don't like it and they don't yell at me"

This is (and please don't take offence) a very narrow minded and anti-magic-of-friendship view. You are going to the source of the "extreme tastes" and complaining about it.

Think about it. If someone commented on your music post here saying "This dubstep is shite (I have no idea what genre you do, dubstep is an example), why do you make this when it is so gravity-defyingly awful?", you would be all "But I like dubstep... *Raritycry*. If you don't like it shut up and go away. I didn't ask you to listen to it"

The best way to respect something you don't like is to acknowledge it, accept it and don't hate. All you can do is avoid it.

[aap998]

@lunchbagmusic does it still come across like that after my last comment? i hope not, because then i really really really suck at explaining my opinion.

still, I really love yall for being honest!

[LunchBagMusic]

Even with that last comment, it still seems a little selfish. There are always going to be those things, you just need to accept, ignore and move on. Take the fluttershy approach.

[Applejinx]

I got some sympathy for your feelin's from a startlingly unexpected place... me.

'cos I'm the pony who writes the Trixie's Magic Bit fanfic (novel length 'futa' clop that uses sex to go further into the characters and their relationships an' personalities) though around here I'm just the country/rock studio pony.

I'm completely fine with a lot of ponies bein' horrified by my writin' in that vein. Them as like it have you outvoted, and some of them are mighty literate... I do ask them not to show my work to folks who would find it hurtful, though it will tend to filter out into the world anyway.

But I have a funny reaction to HotDiggityDemon and the .mov series. I've watched it, but I find it way more dismaying than some flat-out clop, because it feels like it's deconstructing everything I like about poni, and you can have hot-n-heavy sex where the characters are still like themselves because sex and goodness (and friendship) do not have to exclude each other. Goodness and friendship and chainsawing ponies in half DO kind of have to exclude each other, so .MOV upsets me.

And yet, I've seen some of the animator's earlier work and thought it was great brilliant stuff (though dark) and .mov is clearly HIS art expressing itself through ponies, to much acclaim. And he's imaginative, and real hard working. It's hard for me to disapprove of somethin' so sincere even though I find it upsetting and un-poni.

I would say to HotDiggetyDemon- you keep right on bein' you as hard as you can, and forgive me if I cannot bear to watch. I respect the skill and I respect that this is your art, it's just too far from what I like on too many levels and I'm going to have to take a pass. Kinda like how I'm not a fan of the fic 'My Little Dashie' (though strangely, I do like Fallout: Equestria).

Takes all kinds, which means there's always gonna be some stuff where 'tolerate' means 'you stay waaaay over there okay sugarcube?'. Tolerate doesn't mean love, otherwise they would be th' same word