I'm done with EqD

[Matthew N.]

I don't really see the point of locking this thread. Sure it may have started out as a little bit of a selfish thread pointing out my issues with EqD, but since it seems like those are general problems that apply to everyone here and there is not really any flaming going on but constructive criticism of what should be done to improve their website, submission system etc., then why locking it up? Unless our administrators are part of EqD and don't tolerate people talking about this stuff... which I don't believe in.

[VINXIS]

They locked these threads before, they might do it again

Dem admins -.-:

[Navron]

As said before, 4 out of 5 songs I've submitted to EqD have been featured, so I'm not exactly complaining about being featured.

But being featured or not has nothing to do with wondering why there is such a poor system in place, and helping create more ideas to solve those issues that the prelisteners can pitch.

[VINXIS]

idc about being featured, I just want them to be more "efficient"

[CommandSpry]

Like I said, having a separate pre-listener email and someone checking it and sending to the prelistener chats would take what, 2-3 minutes of time to set up, and would ensure 99.99% of submissions get actually sent to the prelisteners.

I really don't want to believe it's just their ego not to bow down before "pressure" and think their ways are superior, but we're not getting any alternate answers

So if nobody will acknowledge this thread and will just lock them and look away, pardon me but that's a dick move.

Have fun ^^

[Freewave]

Maybe the theory is if they send rejection letter people will argue with them but i personally think that would be a helpful thing for submitters; to know it was rcvd, to know it wasn't accepted, and if there was a particular reason why. That way there isn't the waiting around in vain or was lost....

That was their policy initially but i've never seen a rejection letter.

[VINXIS]

Then make a noreply email as the rejection e-mail or have other people take care of each subject -.-

[AdmiralYoshi]

Hey guys, I'm a music writer for the Canterlot Chronicle, and I always need material to post about. If you've got any music you'd like to submit, submit it to http://www.reddit.com/r/ChronicleMedia/ or email [email protected]. Also if you don't get approved, I'll be sure to send you an email saying so.

Sorry if this seems like advertising, but I'd rather see you guys get the props you deserve than be pushed to the side.

[Kibbie]

I've never submitted any music to EqD, but I do submit a lot of art from my deviant art to them. I do feel some of your pain with having your email lost. There's load more people who draw and make wallpapers over musicians, so sadly enough my emails are lost a lot apparently.

I do agree with you guys on their being a separate email. If they made separate emails for stuff rather than just one gigantic email that gets spammed 24/7 I think a lot less stuff wouldn't get lost.


Don't let other musician's popularity status put you guys down though. Just because some musician is more popular than another doesn't make them any better. If you're just trying to make music for popularity and you only want it featured on EqD, I guess thats your problem.

[Applejinx]

I do think the difference between music and fanfiction is that, sent music, you can listen to ten seconds of it (and maybe skip into the middle) and get a quick sense of what it is. That means that Sethisto is technically still capable of being the sole judge of what goes on the blog, because he can act like any A&R rep from the days of big record companies, and go through a 'stack of submitted cassettes' throwing most into the bin and keeping a few.

That's how it's ALWAYS been. It's always been about interesting some guy you don't know who is listening to a hundred tapes per day every day. Sethisto never actually asked to be 'head of A&R for the poni community' but the position landed in his lap, he's still able to do it singlehoofedly by all appearances, and I completely understand if he's enjoying it.

And to give thoughtful responses is an entirely different job, one of a critic. He's not, he's the guy who throws the stack of tapes in the player and listens to a little of each (perhaps all of each, but if it was me I would not be doing that- not when he's able to keep a flood of submissions coming in while just cherrypicking a few out of the flood and tossing the rest without comment)

I understand exactly what he's doing, and it's what label A&R guys have always done- and literary slushpile readers have always done. Looks like poni grew up and became a 'real' market for music distribution. Could be worse, he could be claiming rights to the music for EqD repackaging! He'd still get a flood of submissions, even if he was.

[soultensionbenjamin]

AS long as its nice, good, short, and loud it will get featured and the more music you make with your name on it, the more of a reconizable product you will be. And youll be top billin in no time

[Navron]

I do think the difference between music and fanfiction is that, sent music, you can listen to ten seconds of it (and maybe skip into the middle) and get a quick sense of what it is. That means that Sethisto is technically still capable of being the sole judge of what goes on the blog, because he can act like any A&R rep from the days of big record companies, and go through a 'stack of submitted cassettes' throwing most into the bin and keeping a few.

That's how it's ALWAYS been. It's always been about interesting some guy you don't know who is listening to a hundred tapes per day every day. Sethisto never actually asked to be 'head of A&R for the poni community' but the position landed in his lap, he's still able to do it singlehoofedly by all appearances, and I completely understand if he's enjoying it.

And to give thoughtful responses is an entirely different job, one of a critic. He's not, he's the guy who throws the stack of tapes in the player and listens to a little of each (perhaps all of each, but if it was me I would not be doing that- not when he's able to keep a flood of submissions coming in while just cherrypicking a few out of the flood and tossing the rest without comment)

I understand exactly what he's doing, and it's what label A&R guys have always done- and literary slushpile readers have always done. Looks like poni grew up and became a 'real' market for music distribution. Could be worse, he could be claiming rights to the music for EqD repackaging! He'd still get a flood of submissions, even if he was.

But...do those A&R reps have background experience in music? Chances are, they probably do, in order to judge mixing and mastering quality.

Sethisto is not a music judge, giving he can't tell the difference between auto tune and a vocoder. Not to mention his comments about how pony related a song is despite most of the ones he finds questionable to actually have some pretty clever pony influences, such as a trotting style drum pattern, or (like a submission by Kyoga and I), throwing in some reversed percussion to emphasize the slithering of the cockatrice.

That's why the prelisteners are musicians. They can analyze a song and determine its merit better than a guy who judges by, "Is it catchy? Does it sound good?"

[Fimbulin]

Uuuhhh... me and Resonant Waves have both gotten responses when submitting songs. The most common one I've seen watching res. over skype were notes stating, "Not enough pony." or "Too boring. Try adding more to it." One of those songs actually got featured recently after someone other than himself submitted it.

SOMETIMES they actually respond, but don't count on it. The best thing I could think of would be getting the prelisteners the e-mail addresses of the related tracks, so they can respond with some feedback maybe.

Just my two cents/shillings/yen/seashells.

[VINXIS]

That's what they said on the submit page on EqD. That they might not respond. That's why dey need duh chainge
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[Fimbulin]

That's what they said on the submit page on EqD. That they might not respond. That's why dey need duh chainge
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Totally should submit this to EqD to show them that we're serious about this.

[Lavender_Harmony]

You know what, I'm gonna soapbox right here right now, because threads like these really, really piss me off.

First of all, I'm on the prelistener team, and I see how things are done, and the prelisteners know what's up. They know what to look for when you submit your track, what to look for in terms of quality and pony relevance. What you might see as a track 'having nothing to do with the show' we may see as being based conceptually. Haphazardly shoehorning pony samples into a generic techno song won't increase your chances anymore than doing something without. What really helps is actually understanding what conceptual music actually is. I've talked with a lot of people and I've often asked how they come up with a concept, and they just look at me funny, and they say they just make "what sounds good lol". Making something good and calling it Fluttershy's Song isn't going to get you featured either.

You have to bear in mind, EqD isn't a repository for all music, not everything is going to be featured, that's why sites like EQBeats exist, to get your music on the air and listened to, and EqD is a spotlight blog. A lot of submissions get reviewed on a daily basis, and sending feedback for every single track just isn't viable. The pre-listeners take a chunk out of their day to listen to everyones songs and judge them, and the fact is if you guys are going to act like a bunch of immature, entitled children then we might see the demise of music being posted at all on EqD.

You guys act as if it's a service, that you should be featured, as if it's your right, when it's not. It's something you have to earn, by making something stand out, something that catches peoples attention, their imagination. You have to raise the fucking standard.

[Raddons]

In regards to the conceptual music comment (and before I divulge any further into this, know that I mean no malicious intent in any way, shape, or form), I think it's hard to tell people what they wrote doesn't represent the concept they feel they are epitomizing. Being that music is all about feeling, others feel a certain way about things than others and while the "message" doesn't appeal to one, it might appeal to the next.

[Lavender_Harmony]

In regards to the conceptual music comment (and before I divulge any further into this, know that I mean no malicious intent in any way, shape, or form), I think it's hard to tell people what they wrote doesn't represent the concept they feel they are epitomizing. Being that music is all about feeling, others feel a certain way about things than others and while the "message" doesn't appeal to one, it might appeal to the next.

Point is, you basically have two types of instrumental music. One where they make it clear, either through putting a picture on the video that explains the concept of the piece, and/or also puts some flavour text in the description to give the listener a point of reference. Then you have someone who uploads an instrumental track and the description is "lol i made this when i was bored, pls comment."

You decide which ones we tend to skip over.

[Raddons]

No, I totally understand that. I suppose I have no point to get across other than just voicing my thoughts on the subject at hand.

Carry on

[Peak Freak]

rant

I can totally understand your point.
I can imagine, that if you get like 20 electro remixes/glitch/dubstep songs and only one Rock/Jazz/something outstanding per day, you would prefer the latter one to be featured (except the quality lacks/whatever). Really, after the 20ths house remix of a popular brony song (Beyond her garden )... should I go on?
And now to my last point: Do you really want to earn popularity with your music that desperately? If yes, the rejectal of an EQD feature is telling you one thing: You are not ready for it. Moreover, get your mind working and don't rely on EQD only, there are so many ways to publish your tracks and make them spread. Think about it, it is the
internet (Holy choir in the background)

[Lavender_Harmony]

rant

I can totally understand your point.
I can imagine, that if you get like 20 electro remixes/glitch/dubstep songs and only one Rock/Jazz/something outstanding per day, you would prefer the latter one to be featured (except the quality lacks/whatever). Really, after the 20ths house remix of a popular brony song (Beyond her garden )... should I go on?
And now to my last point: Do you really want to earn popularity with your music that desperately? If yes, the rejectal of an EQD feature is telling you one thing: You are not ready for it. Moreover, get your mind working and don't rely on EQD only, there are so many ways to publish your tracks and make them spread. Think about it, it is the
internet (Holy choir in the background)

You actually bring up a really good point. If you guys are so torn up about not getting featured on EqD, it's probably a good time to ask yourself why you are making music in the first place.

[Matthew N.]

I had a feeling MLR was at least partially ran by EqD staff when people started saying how threads like this get locked all the time, but I didn't completely believe it.

This explains a lot. Now go ahead and close this topic before I say something I will probably regret.

Oh, and check out my signature if you're getting frustrated with not getting featured on EqD. BMD posts everyone without exceptions.

[CommandSpry]

I kinda miss the point of the topic, I am a little mad because a larger and larger percentage of songs DON'T get to the prelisteners either by mistake or Seth's personal will, which I think is bullshit, so I was thinking you guys wanted to make sure all the songs get to the prelisteners? I have no problems with a criteria if there is one

[Matthew N.]

larger and larger percentage of songs DON'T get to the prelisteners either by mistake or Seth's personal will, which I think is bullshit, so I was thinking you guys wanted to make sure all the songs get to the prelisteners?

Wouldn't that be awesome?

[Navron]

You know what, I'm gonna soapbox right here right now, because threads like these really, really piss me off.

First of all, I'm on the prelistener team, and I see how things are done, and the prelisteners know what's up. They know what to look for when you submit your track, what to look for in terms of quality and pony relevance. What you might see as a track 'having nothing to do with the show' we may see as being based conceptually. Haphazardly shoehorning pony samples into a generic techno song won't increase your chances anymore than doing something without. What really helps is actually understanding what conceptual music actually is. I've talked with a lot of people and I've often asked how they come up with a concept, and they just look at me funny, and they say they just make "what sounds good lol". Making something good and calling it Fluttershy's Song isn't going to get you featured either.

You have to bear in mind, EqD isn't a repository for all music, not everything is going to be featured, that's why sites like EQBeats exist, to get your music on the air and listened to, and EqD is a spotlight blog. A lot of submissions get reviewed on a daily basis, and sending feedback for every single track just isn't viable. The pre-listeners take a chunk out of their day to listen to everyones songs and judge them, and the fact is if you guys are going to act like a bunch of immature, entitled children then we might see the demise of music being posted at all on EqD.

You guys act as if it's a service, that you should be featured, as if it's your right, when it's not. It's something you have to earn, by making something stand out, something that catches peoples attention, their imagination. You have to raise the fucking standard.

I think you're missing the main discussion point, which isn't about featuring music that doesn't deserve to be featured, but rather why music that meets the quality and criteria to be featured gets lost in the submission process, or (as some suspect) get dismissed by Seth without even being sent to the prelisteners because it doesn't appeal to Seth's taste.

The problem isn't in being featured itself, but rather the entire process behind it, and while I do not doubt some people have a sense of entitlement, the majority of us just simply want to hear a yes/no to our submissions.