Just got shafted by EQD (EDIT)

[Rainbowdutch]

As of right now, music goes with everything else to [email protected], while I believe fan-fiction has a dedicated process that must be sent to pre-readers first.

still one little thing about this

everything gets send to [email protected]: fanfics, music, pmv's, news and even random trollery. seth sorts through all of these e-mails and sends them to their sections (fanfic to fanfic, music to music)

this means that basicly everything gets the same treatment

[Makkon]

Okay everyone, friendship report.

Now.

[meletric]

Dear Princess Makkon,
Today I learned that sometimes you read a 6 page long thread and realize at the end that you didn't really learn anything

[Navron]

inb4 ban for calling him princess Makkon.

[Overkillius]

Dear princess Makkon,
I DIDN'T LEARN A THING!
Your faithful student, appleover jackillius.

[bartekko]

Dear Prince Makkon

Today I learned that we need a better page for music than Equestria Daily.

Your faithful student, Bartekko

[LunchBagMusic]

Dear Chancellor Makkonhead,

Today I learned that music is a great mystery that not even the magic of friendship can truly explain. I think I'm going to have to spend some time thinking inside the chimney.

Your faithful student,
BagofLunch

[Overkillius]

In all seriousness though, I can't bring myself to read this entire thread, BUT If I understand correctly, the problem is the whole "pony related" thing. Whether it is about non-pony songs getting posted by Seth, or earnestly pony songs getting denied by the pre-listeners (or in the case of the OP Seth), people are upset. Honestly I'm kinda upset too, but let me ask this question: What is the best solution?

I've seen some answers to it here, but I personally think the best solution is to do away with the pre-listeners! Sure they solve some problems, but they apparently have been causing a lot more problems than they fixed. I've thought this ever since I've been apart of the pre-listeners. The only problem that I can see with that, besides giving rise to the old problems,* (one time, an existing song with pony samples pasted on top and a song that was plagiarized work got posted on EqD) is that one would say that too much gets sent to EqD, and not only can Seth not possibly post it all, but other people don't want to hear it. Well we don't know that for sure, but I'd be willing to say that isn't really the case.

* I've been around in the music community for quite a while, and while I've been gone from the MLR site for quite some time, I still see a lot of new music, and I talk to a lot of people, particularly about pre-listening problems. THAT SAID, the only time I remember people complaining about EqD music posts before the pre-listeners (I was included in the mentioned "people"), was really two incidents (there were probably a couple others too) which I mentioned earlier in the post. Yes, there were other times that people kinda complained in a skype chat for a while or something, such as Makkon's non-pony song getting posted, and popular artists getting featured posts. Yes, There were also a lot of times when people (not even musicians) referred to the site as fanfic Daily, and musicians wanted their music to have the same treatment as fanfics (which technically that is what is happening now!). But I personally would rather have those relatively minor problems back rather than being in the current situation.

[Applejinx]

Okay everyone, friendship report.

Dear Princess Makkon:

At least we ain't at th' 'pay to play' point yet!

(give it time...)

[Pickslide1992]

Dear Princess Makkon:

It's been established EqD is not the best place to showcase music, but it remains the only mainstream place to do so. Again, it's not too great.

Your faithful student,

Pickslide1992

[DrSorkenstein]

Dear Princess Makkon:

Today I learned that any topic revolving around EqD is controversial and that everyone has their own expectations on how it should be admin'd. This as well as the debate over what is "pony" and what is not will keep coming back in discussions for a long time ahead.
Hopefully some sort of agreement can be reached in both cases or the issues dropped altogether.
The future looks interesting...

Your faithful student,

DrSorkenstein

[Ropony]

I personally think the best solution is to do away with the pre-listeners!

I'm going with this, all i ever hear about this whole situation is drama drama drama, there may have been a few problems before, but it was never this bad. It seems like every single time EqD is brought up in IRC these days, i never hear anyone say anything positive about the site. And as was said before, some of the most amazing music in this fandom wouldn't pass through the pre-listeners current qualifications.

[Dr_Dissonance]

Dear Giant Scary Ball,

Please don't eat me!

Love God.

[Pickslide1992]

I personally think the best solution is to do away with the pre-listeners!

I'm going with this, all i ever hear about this whole situation is drama drama drama, there may have been a few problems before, but it was never this bad. It seems like every single time EqD is brought up in IRC these days, i never hear anyone say anything positive about the site. And as was said before, some of the most amazing music in this fandom wouldn't pass through the pre-listeners current qualifications.

Agreed. It goes back to what I said a while ago: EqD could easily post a track of Living Tombstone or Omnipony farting and burping while watching a FiM episode while rejecting an amazing track done by a relative newbie. I hear some amazing stuff around here, stuff that makes me doubt my own ability, so I'm shocked when something I personally would let on the site gets the ax for some odd reason.

[Vedrim]

I don't really think it's possible to get rid of the prelisteners at this point; with the volume of stuff which gets submitted, Seth would likely still have to farm the work out to his "musical skype-based war cabinet" in order for anything to get posted at all.

Also, I'm pretty sure every single one of them hates me at this point, so I'd be shocked if I wasn't already blacklisted from ever submitting anything again, heh.

[DrSorkenstein]

I personally think the best solution is to do away with the pre-listeners

Agreed. It goes back to what I said a while ago: EqD could easily post a track of Living Tombstone or Omnipony farting and burping while watching a FiM episode while rejecting an amazing track done by a relative newbie. I hear some amazing stuff around here, stuff that makes me doubt my own ability, so I'm shocked when something I personally would let on the site gets the ax for some odd reason.

Well going back to the old system wouldn't really change anything since the whole reason we got prelisteners in the first place was because Seth felt unsure of how to treat instrumental music and certain genres of music. This was pretty much discussed to death in this thread:
Hey Music Peoples!

Now I agree that there is a lot of very good music around but I think everyone is getting themselves too worked up over being featured. EqD can't post everything and has a clear goal of showcasing high quality pony related work. True the site has posted things questionably "pony" but this seems to be mostly related to the fact that, at it's core, EqD is still a personal blog. The only way it can step beyond that is if others can contribute as prelisteners, prereaders etc. It does seem more fair than having one person being in charge of rating everything.

As for getting featured again; it might be time to look to alternative ways of promoting your music. Just relying on features by EqD won't really cut it in the current climate. Work on promoting yourself instead.

Also lets remember that we all have our own concept of what is "pony-related" and what is not and that is also why a group of people do a better job than one alone since more opinions are voiced on the matter. Why not try to get involved in prelistening if you feel you can bring an alternative insight?

At a certain point we'll have to simply trust and respect the decisions made by the group of prelisteners. Trying to form a following in any creative medium is hard work and you will always be judged on certain merits within your craft.

some of the most amazing music in this fandom wouldn't pass through the pre-listeners current qualifications.

I'm pretty sure most of what comes to mind in terms of vague pony related music would pass on merit of being built around a consistent theme as others have stated before.





Phew...

[Rainbowdutch]

Agreed. It goes back to what I said a while ago: EqD could easily post a track of Living Tombstone or Omnipony farting and burping while watching a FiM episode while rejecting an amazing track done by a relative newbie. I hear some amazing stuff around here, stuff that makes me doubt my own ability, so I'm shocked when something I personally would let on the site gets the ax for some odd reason.

this is what we prelisteners are for. we judge on qaullity not on the name of the artist (something seth used to take in consideration).

I don't really think it's possible to get rid of the prelisteners at this point; with the volume of stuff which gets submitted, Seth would likely still have to farm the work out to his "musical skype-based war cabinet" in order for anything to get posted at all.

Also, I'm pretty sure every single one of them hates me at this point, so I'd be shocked if I wasn't already blacklisted from ever submitting anything again, heh.

vedrim I have nothing against you. what you did was question the way we prelisten which is still not perfect. your e-mail got us discussing many things. I personally think that your e-mail helped us a bit more in finding out what our actuall boundry is for the question: "is it pony enough?"





dear prettiest princess on the block makkon,

today I have learned that, although we have changed the flawed system on eqd to a less flawed prelistener system, we are still far from where we want to be and we should try our hardest to get there.

your faithfull student Rainbowdutch

[Tsyolin]

Wow, I can't believe I'm just hearing about this thread now. Honestly, it was really hard to read through it all. A lot of drama and politics, and a lot of judging based of secondhand information and preconceived notions. This is my first post on this forum since before Christmas I think, alright here we go.

I have no idea where all this crap about us judging based on personal taste is coming from, that has never been true and never will be. We judge based on whether or not the EqD users will like it. You have to understand, musicians and typical EqD users view and appreciate music differently so you can't always expect to get an extremely vulgar or innapropriate song posted considering the large amounts of butthurt floating around this fandom. We always leave personal biases aside, and in instances where there can be a bias that person will often abstain from voting.

Now about Seth. You guys seriously need to chill out about Seth okay. He's a great guy and we all owe him a lot. You have to understand the amount of work this guy has trying to maintain the biggest brony blog in the world. He does a lot of the work himself, sometimes some emails get lost in the process. It happens sometimes, music gets lost, and in that case you should just resubmit it rather than raging all over the place. And another thing, we don't control Seth. Sometimes music gets posted on his accord. When he posted Alex's song, it wasn't about a matter of whether or not it was pony, it was because Seth wanted to lighten the load a bit, knowing that no matter how pony it was, it was gonna get submitted like 50 times. After hearing about this I was a bit more understanding.

Whereas I agree that this system has issues, the fact remains that there needs to be some quality control. Yeah, when some stuff gets denied, a red flag does go up as far as the whole, "Is it pony?" thing is related, mostly because I thought we tried to do that less as of late.

Okay, now onto the topic of pony. Yes this has always been the most debated factor in prelistening, if it's pony enough. It has always been this way and it's impossible to change it. There has to be quality control guys, you have to understand this. For all we know, there can easily be people who just make non pony-inspired music and slap a pony title and image and call it pony music. This isn't how it works, and we do our best to identify any non pony related music. And for god's sake, yes instrumentals can still qualify as pony music. We all have our own seperate opinions on how that can be met. Personally, I feel that if the instrumental gives me the feel of what is being described, than that's pony music. It's never been easy to judge, and it never will be. This is why we have a council. And while we have been trying to cut down on the amount of judging that we do based on whether or not it is pony, we still need to be able to cut out some music that isn't pony related at all.

I think one of the most important things people need to realize is that you are submitting music to the biggest brony blog in the world. You cannot expect to get music posted just because you put a lot of effort into it. Time spent on a project as well as effort do not equate to quality and never have. While effort can often result in quality, it doesn't by default. Another thing, there is no reason to get all butthurt if your music gets rejected. It happens to everyone at times. Honestly, being rejected is the best motivation to try harder and pump even better music. If you get a message saying your song was denied, just drop it. What is done is done, we as a team have rejected your song, move on. You have no right to keep resubmitting your music because you though it was good, even though we as a team turned it down.

And about Mic, seriously people need to shut up. I've heard a whole ton of bullshit that Mic has received because apparently he has the last word on everything. News flash people, we are a team. We work together in this and we decided together. Mic started these prelisteners but that doesn't mean anything anymore, we are a team.

I don't really think it's possible to get rid of the prelisteners at this point; with the volume of stuff which gets submitted, Seth would likely still have to farm the work out to his "musical skype-based war cabinet" in order for anything to get posted at all.

We created the prelisteners to oust the shitty system that was in place before, which involved Seth judging everything by himself. I'm pretty sure no one wants to return to those days.

Also, I'm pretty sure every single one of them hates me at this point, so I'd be shocked if I wasn't already blacklisted from ever submitting anything again, heh.

Never has this been true, never will it be. Keep working on music and sending it our way as it get's done. Being denied should never be discouraging.

Alright, I'm here all day. Fire away at me guys.

[MicTheMicrophone]

My god this entire system is shit. All you guys do is bend to Mic's will and only put through songs HE wants to see go through. Then you turn down anything the Great and Obnoxious Microphone doesn't want to see. You're all a bunch of fucking pansies who need to grow some stones and stop being lambs to an egotistical fuckwit. Mic is a faggot.

[Tsyolin]

My god this entire system is shit. All you guys do is bend to Mic's will and only put through songs HE wants to see go through. Then you turn down anything the Great and Obnoxious Microphone doesn't want to see. You're all a bunch of fucking pansies who need to grow some stones and stop being lambs to an egotistical fuckwit. Mic is a faggot.

Damn it, we've been found out! Alright Mic you caught us...

[Cyril]

Oh shit, I guess I can't continue talking shit about Mic and how much I disagreed with him during prelistener sessions or that for a good period of time I thought he was a huge dickdouche.

Or that everyone who has a problem and think they has a solution can shut the hell up becuase its not like *I* or anyone else on the prelistener team hasn't thought about it.

OR that I have a large penis that I swing around.

I guess I have to stop talking about since mic just posted.

[H8_Seed]

My god this entire system is shit. All you guys do is bend to Mic's will and only put through songs HE wants to see go through. Then you turn down anything the Great and Obnoxious Microphone doesn't want to see. You're all a bunch of fucking pansies who need to grow some stones and stop being lambs to an egotistical fuckwit. Mic is a faggot.

Pfftchkhephehepfftchchchehehehehehehe.........................

[MicTheMicrophone]

Oh shit, I guess I can't continue talking shit about Mic and how much I disagreed with him during prelistener sessions or that for a good period of time I thought he was a huge dickdouche.

Or that everyone who has a problem and think they has a solution can shut the hell up becuase its not like *I* or anyone else on the prelistener team hasn't thought about it.

OR that I have a large penis that I swing around.

I guess I have to stop talking about since mic just posted.

omfg u r so rood blockd n unfollowed 5evr

[Makkon]

Spam deletion warning tier one initiated. Please get back on topic.

My own two cents on the issue: I honestly don't care. If my music gets accepted, it does, if it doesn't it doesn't. I don't get satisfaction out of getting attention and praise from larger numbers of people, or from getting views or subscriptions, and I don't need my work to be showcased on a brony billboard, I feel just fine being beside another artist in a post. I write music because I love music. I write what I want, and I enjoy associating with people who also love music. There's nothing more to it than that for me.

[Overkillius]

My god this entire system is shit. All you guys do is bend to Mic's will and only put through songs HE wants to see go through. Then you turn down anything the Great and Obnoxious Microphone doesn't want to see. You're all a bunch of fucking pansies who need to grow some stones and stop being lambs to an egotistical fuckwit. Mic is a faggot.

First of all, the way you executed this is hilarious and I have more respect for you now.

There has to be quality control guys, you have to understand this. For all we know, there can easily be people who just make non pony-inspired music and slap a pony title and image and call it pony music.

1. I hate describing pony relation with the word "quality" (not to say there doesn't need to be some kind of control)
2. I'd honestly rather send through a non-pony track once in a while since it happens with other tracks that we don't judge anyway, and it would REALLY keep us from turning down earnestly pony tracks that we might deem "un-pony".

We judge based on whether or not the EqD users will like it.

3. Then we MIGHT (might) need to revise that idea because I remember that Basch pointed out that apparently people are posting on EqD saying that instrumental posts have better music, yet they each get less featured than vocal tracks.

Also, I'm pretty sure every single one of them hates me at this point, so I'd be shocked if I wasn't already blacklisted from ever submitting anything again, heh.

Excuse me if this sounds rude, but stop assuming silly stuff you silly filly. No one hates you.