musical debate thread

[KingTrollestia]

I like music.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

My problem usually comes when the successors of the earlier genre refuse to make any real changes. =/ I find it kinda wasteful.

Ditto, emulating a sound is great for learning's sake, but lack of creativity can ruin that.

[KingTrollestia]

Alright time to rant I guess:

-Taylor Swift: We get it you have boy problems, you've only dated what... 10 guys in the last 3 months already? Can you sing about something else? Sing about a pet that died

-Lou Reed's earlier stuff was much better than his later stuff by far. Rock and Roll Animal will always be his best album

-Music on iTunes flat out suck. Everything is compressed to hell and it just doesn't sound as good as a CD.

-2 CHAINZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

-Getting too creative with music ruins songs. Make a song that is good and beautiful, do not try and shovel as much shit as you can into it for the sake of art.

-Why are the Lumineers getting so much attention? I hate the lofi sound they have and they just put me to sleep.

That's it for a while. inb4 someone rages at me

[CaptainFluffatun]

Food for thought:

EDM is great. It's very energetic and fun, and god damn the sound design is just a hoot. However, I think orchestral is the most versatile. An orchestra can score literally every possible occasion (other than maybe a club scene :p). Cellos can play sweet mid-high melodies, then drop the bass and be all BUMBUM BA BUH BUMBUM. Woodwinds can play soothing melodies, and also bone-chilling ones. Brass can make peeps get their swing on, or go BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG as the van hits the water, waking up Joseph Gordon-Levitt's sexy face. My point is that orchestral has lasted through the years because it's just so damn applicable to anything and everything.

Not really arguing against any other points, just presenting my own.

[CaptainFluffatun]

Synthesis can be used essentially anywhere, and it has it's place in Orchestral scores too (if you know what you're doing.)

See: Hans Zimmer

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Yessir. Quite a talent.

it's just good to see musicians integrating new things into orchestral.

who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
I kinda wanna see Bach play around with FM8 just to see his reaction.

That kinda makes me wonder how musicians from back then would react to current music technology.

[the4thImpulse]

Food for thought:

EDM is great. It's very energetic and fun, and god damn the sound design is just a hoot. However, I think orchestral is the most versatile. An orchestra can score literally every possible occasion (other than maybe a club scene :p). Cellos can play sweet mid-high melodies, then drop the bass and be all BUMBUM BA BUH BUMBUM. Woodwinds can play soothing melodies, and also bone-chilling ones. Brass can make peeps get their swing on, or go BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG as the van hits the water, waking up Joseph Gordon-Levitt's sexy face. My point is that orchestral has lasted through the years because it's just so damn applicable to anything and everything.

Not really arguing against any other points, just presenting my own.

The only point one could argue besides personal preference is electronic music hasn't been around for nearly as long as orchestral. It is a little bit of an unfair comparison but its still true, orchestras are here to stay for the long run (and I like it that way )

p.s. I'm not tring to start an argument or anything of the sort.

[ghelded_kultz]

Alright time to rant I guess:
-Lou Reed's earlier stuff was much better than his later stuff by far. Rock and Roll Animal will always be his best album

I agree that Lou Reed's earlier stuff was better than his later stuff. While I understand you are talking about his solo career (right?) I'm going to say that his time with the Velvet Underground was his musical high point. Unless I am talking to die hard metalheads, in which it was Lulu (I think he made that album intentionally bad because he seems like the sort of person to do that). Also I would say in general artists earlier work is better than their later work, at least when looking at 30+ year careers.

-Getting too creative with music ruins songs. Make a song that is good and beautiful, do not try and shovel as much shit as you can into it for the sake of art.

Mostly agreed. This is part of why I don't like progressive rock or metal (a big part of it, actually).

@LoreRD I will admit that is some terrible noise you linked to. But all noise related genres? Even noise pop? Also I think Rush and U2 are actually good examples of why bands should break up in their prime. Or in Rush's case, soon after forming .

[ghelded_kultz]

Food for thought:

EDM is great. It's very energetic and fun, and god damn the sound design is just a hoot. However, I think orchestral is the most versatile. An orchestra can score literally every possible occasion (other than maybe a club scene :p). Cellos can play sweet mid-high melodies, then drop the bass and be all BUMBUM BA BUH BUMBUM. Woodwinds can play soothing melodies, and also bone-chilling ones. Brass can make peeps get their swing on, or go BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG as the van hits the water, waking up Joseph Gordon-Levitt's sexy face. My point is that orchestral has lasted through the years because it's just so damn applicable to anything and everything.

Not really arguing against any other points, just presenting my own.

EDM is Dance Music, it's meant to be danced to, not listened to. That's all.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

[ghelded_kultz]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

It's not that you can't listen to it just for the sake of listening to it, it's that it's not made to be listening music. It's meant to be dancing music.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[Applejinx]

Rock And Roll Animal is one of the best guitar records in the history of EVER, and now I want to go listen to it again

[Nine Volt]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

It's not that you can't listen to it just for the sake of listening to it, it's that it's not made to be listening music. It's meant to be dancing music.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

It's in the name after all :3

But I think many people just use EDM as an umbrella term to refer to any kind of synthesized music.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

It's not that you can't listen to it just for the sake of listening to it, it's that it's not made to be listening music. It's meant to be dancing music.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

It's in the name after all :3

But I think many people just use EDM as an umbrella term to refer to any kind of synthesized music.

I mean I have LOTS of stuff that doesn't need to be danced to, I have stuff that can actually be listened to at leisure.

[Nine Volt]

I mean I have LOTS of stuff that doesn't need to be danced to, I have stuff that can actually be listened to at leisure.

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I have a fuckton of EDM I can listen to casually. I was just saying something I noticed.

[LoreRD]

@LoreRD I will admit that is some terrible noise you linked to. But all noise related genres? Even noise pop? Also I think Rush and U2 are actually good examples of why bands should break up in their prime. Or in Rush's case, soon after forming .

....I take it you don't like progressive rock at all? :/
Oh well.
But for people who like progressive rock, they've been consistently good and varied. How many artists release a good album more than 40 years after forming (in Rush's case, Clockwork Angels)? I don't think many other bands can say that, regardless of genre. Same for U2, most of their albums have been quite good, including their most recent one.

And how is this song a song that "gets 'too' creative" and "shovels as much as possible into it"?



(came out on their 8th album, by the way)

I don't like songs that go crazy on the creativity either, but don't generalise a whole genre. There's more to prog than King Crimson, Yes, and Dream Theater.

And as long as it doesn't actually feel like it's intended to harm my ears, I might be okay with some noise genres. Could you link some?

[Thyrai]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

It's not that you can't listen to it just for the sake of listening to it, it's that it's not made to be listening music. It's meant to be dancing music.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

If you're talking about club mixes, sure -a minute of kick drums isn't very entertaining. But EDM as a whole? That's complete bullshit.

[KingTrollestia]

While I do like a lot of EDM songs, I've been getting into a lot of experimental ones as well. I've become a huge fan of post dubstep music along with a lot of IDM and Ambient shit. I'd love to see some EDM crossed over with dream pop, now that would be sick

[topitmunkeydog]

I'm pretty chill about most genres of music but I can't take mainstream pop or boy bands. The stupidity levels are too damn high.

I guess on the subject of EDM (I just learned that abbreviation today) I haven't heard much of it besides from my brony pals on the internet but I don't have anything against it. However for me the music is not too engaging and usually I just listen to it in the background while doing math or whatever. (Kind of like epic trailer music which I used to like a lot but eventually I decided that it was too impersonal. I still listen to it on occasion)
Uhh what else can I "debate" about
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Orchestral music
I like classical music okay and I am completely fine with it but synthesized orchestras just drive me crazy. I know that most can't afford an orchestra and there is no way it can be solved but still that is one of my biggest pet peeves. Now I am not saying stop making orchestral music because I respect you guys a lot, it's just that the low quality of the instruments kind of kills it for me. That's just a personal opinion.
On classical music itself, I used to listen to this all the time. These days I only listen to modern composers such as Erik Satie, Claude Debussy, Conni Ellisor, or Philip Glass. This is because so much of the older classical music just sounds so similar. Especially Haydn. He is the only one I actually hate because out of his 100+ symphonies they all sound the same. I think Dvorak and his Romantic age bros are pretty cool though and Mahler is one of my favorites (forgot that haha.)

I really don't know what I am saying. Now I'm just typing the first thing that comes to mind. I think I am going to stop now, haha.

[ghelded_kultz]

I can find lots of EDM that I'll just sit around and listen to

It's not that you can't listen to it just for the sake of listening to it, it's that it's not made to be listening music. It's meant to be dancing music.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

If you're talking about club mixes, sure -a minute of kick drums isn't very entertaining. But EDM as a whole? That's complete bullshit.

EDM stands for Electronic Dance Music. Electronica expands EDM as it's not just music that's made for dancing. IDM is a misnomer because it is neither "Intelligent" nor Dance Music. If it's not made for dancing it's improper to label it as EDM.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[Symphon]

Punk > Metal

Just want to see what this leads to. tru fact, btw

[itroitnyah]

Are we going to start arguing about what EDM means now? Oh boy! *rubs hands together and prepares to type*

According to Wikipedia (yes, I use it as a legitimate source, shut up):
"Electronic dance music (sometimes referred to as EDM, or in the UK simply as dance music) is electronic music produced primarily for the purposes of use within a nightclub setting, or in an environment that is centered in dance-based entertainment. The music is largely created for use by disc jockeys and is produced with the intention of it being heard in the context of a continuous DJ set"

Which means EDM is just an abbreviation for music that is electronic and is made with the intention to be danced to! But does that mean you have to dance if you listen to it? No! You can leisurely listen to it, and still enjoy it! Imagine that! But hold on! What in the world are we going to call other electronic music, if not EDM? How about "electric music". But wait! That encompasses ALL electronic music! We for sure need a way to separate music that was made to be danced to and music that we are supposed to just listen to for the enjoyment!

Well, I can fix that. Allow me to introduce a new concept to you. The concept it called:

It doesn't fucking matter

Separating music into genres is great, it allows us to separate music we like from music we don't like. But separating general types of music into sub-types is just plain stupid. You can dance to any music you want to, or you can just relax and listen to any type of music you want to. You can't just separate music into music that you can't listen to unless you're going to dance to it, and music you can't listen to unless you're relaxing. Music is music, and regardless of whether it was made to dance to or not, you can still listen to it while relaxing, and regardless or whether or not it was made for relaxing or not, you can dance to it! No need to separate them and create more confusion.

But hey, we're still going to argue over this anyways, so why do I even bother? Oh, that's right. I love to argue and fight my opinion vs. your opinion

[Thyrai]

EDM stands for Electronic Dance Music. Electronica expands EDM as it's not just music that's made for dancing. IDM is a misnomer because it is neither "Intelligent" nor Dance Music. If it's not made for dancing it's improper to label it as EDM.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

...So?

Just because it's made with heavy kicks and subbasses doesn't mean it's not intended to be listened to casually or otherwise. Any EDM artist ever would be offended if you proposed that their music's sole purpose is to be played in a club and not actually 'listened to'.

Just because it fits a niche doesn't mean its restricted. Stop trying to pointlessly label things.

"THIS ISN'T METAL. IT'S POST-PROGRESSIVE TECHNICAL DEATH METALCORE, ASSHOLE"

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Are we going to start arguing about what EDM means now? Oh boy! *rubs hands together and prepares to type*

According to Wikipedia (yes, I use it as a legitimate source, shut up):
"Electronic dance music (sometimes referred to as EDM, or in the UK simply as dance music) is electronic music produced primarily for the purposes of use within a nightclub setting, or in an environment that is centered in dance-based entertainment. The music is largely created for use by disc jockeys and is produced with the intention of it being heard in the context of a continuous DJ set"

Which means EDM is just an abbreviation for music that is electronic and is made with the intention to be danced to! But does that mean you have to dance if you listen to it? No! You can leisurely listen to it, and still enjoy it! Imagine that! But hold on! What in the world are we going to call other electronic music, if not EDM? How about "electric music". But wait! That encompasses ALL electronic music! We for sure need a way to separate music that was made to be danced to and music that we are supposed to just listen to for the enjoyment!

Well, I can fix that. Allow me to introduce a new concept to you. The concept it called:

It doesn't fucking matter

Separating music into genres is great, it allows us to separate music we like from music we don't like. But separating general types of music into sub-types is just plain stupid. You can dance to any music you want to, or you can just relax and listen to any type of music you want to. You can't just separate music into music that you can't listen to unless you're going to dance to it, and music you can't listen to unless you're relaxing. Music is music, and regardless of whether it was made to dance to or not, you can still listen to it while relaxing, and regardless or whether or not it was made for relaxing or not, you can dance to it! No need to separate them and create more confusion.

But hey, we're still going to argue over this anyways, so why do I even bother? Oh, that's right. I love to argue and fight my opinion vs. your opinion

Oh my god, THANK YOU for clearing that up. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. I mean, people listen to metal meant to be 'moshed' to at leisure, what makes EDM so different?

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

And Ghelded? Stop generalizing. It makes you look bad. I could generalize metal as three-chord shouty bullshit, but I know that's completely untrue.