The EDM vs 'Acoustical/Real World' Instrument Thread

[the4thImpulse]

I still don't get this...Electronic musicians work in different ways to Acoustic/traditional musicians and both have different skillsets. Can someone please tell me why that's a big deal?

Because someone made it a big deal. I don't who or what exactly started it but from what I cal tell someone said electronic musicians aren't as 'legit/ or technically proficiant/skilled' of a musician as an acoustic musician. It started to derail a thread so I made this one to continue that discussion.

What you said is pretty much my thoughts all summed up, apples and oranges, they are both unique and there's nothing to gain arguing between the two. But if people want to argue some more I won't stop them, that's what this thread is for so have at it.

[Symphon]

I'm sorry, I still find it funny that when you say that acoustics are harder you say it's "fact." When someone else says they're equal or electronic is harder, you say that it is an "opinion" that "is not fact unless evidence is provided." And yes, you did say that what you were saying was fact in the other thread. It's opinion regardless, and coming from someone else that does both acoustic and electronic parts of audio, I feel like -my- opinion is valid. Now, instead of continuously saying that you have the higher opinion since you have delved into both, can't we just accept that we have different opinions and move on?

Edit: Sorry if this post seems a bit rude, but I find this atrociously silly and the fact that it's nearly everyone versus Kyoga at this point, it's just kind of pointless since it's no longer a discussion and more of an argument. We won't change our views, he won't change his, so afljdsafpasodfuaalkfjlaksv'afj

[Mondogreen]

Sure is a whole bunch of elitist fuckwads in this forum. Thanks for showin' yer true colors guys!

[the4thImpulse]

Edit: Sorry if this post seems a bit rude, but I find this atrociously silly and the fact that it's nearly everyone versus Kyoga at this point, it's just kind of pointless since it's no longer a discussion and more of an argument. We won't change our views, he won't change his, so afljdsafpasodfuaalkfjlaksv'afj

When kyoga says its not a 'fact' that acoustics are harder then I will agree with him. I have been in bands and played instuments and from my experience it was harder learning them then it was computers(software/DAWS and all that). Of course computers and software stuff comes naturally to many people but some just don't grasp it mentally. That's one reason why this is all so 'opinionated' rather a fact.

[Symphon]

Sure is a whole bunch of elitist fuckwads in this forum. Thanks for showin' yer true colors guys!

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Hey, man, that's a bit unnecessary.

[itroitnyah]

Sure is a whole bunch of elitist fuckwads in this forum. Thanks for showin' yer true colors guys!

I get the feeling that you're implying something. I guarantee that if we brought up the same debate on almost any other music forum on the internet, you'd get the same war. Whether it's the boyinaband, gearslutz, kvr forums, you name it, they'll have the same war. EVEN if it's a purely electronic music forum, there'll still be flaming because there is no brick wall separating electronic producers and acoustic producers, there are some who have done both in every forum.

[Mondogreen]

Yeah, insecurity sucks, don't it?

[Nine Volt]

Yeah, insecurity sucks, don't it?

I can't tell if you're serious or trying to provoke us...

[Symphon]

Mondo, you're being a bit rude. I'm going to have to kindly ask you to not post here if you're gonna be so hostile towards us.

No, I'm not talking down to you, no, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being quite serious.

[itroitnyah]

Yeah, insecurity sucks, don't it?

Yeah, but so does being unable to accept that this forum is much like every other music forum on the internet. Just because we're all bronies and watch mlp doesn't mean we're going to conform to the motto of "love and tolerate" (which isn't even taught in the show, btw). If I'm inferring correctly that you expected this forum to be more well behaved than the "monstrous brutes that call themselves musicians that make up the other forums" (slight over exaggeration), then you're going to have a bad time. But I suspect that you're trolling so I'll just leave it at that.

[Mondogreen]

I'm just trying to figure out what happened to you all to be so bitter and hateful. Making music art, and art is unity. It brings people together. I would think that this fandom ABOVE ALL OTHERS would be supportive of each other, given the fact that support isn't something that bronies are getting a whole lot of. But nah, I guess I'm totally trolling, bro. Grow the fuck up, all of you.

[Lemanic]

Mondo, you're being a bit rude. I'm going to have to kindly ask you to not post here if you're gonna be so hostile towards us.

No, I'm not talking down to you, no, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being quite serious.

Seems more like you can't take criticism and thus, on a condescending manner, ignores it, because of the lack of experience you have on taking actual criticism. Butthurt, as some might say.

I understand that, because the EDM world has now developed into a balkanized gated community, where outside criticism is lazily translated into "hating" and thus, being heavily ignored.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Grow the fuck up, all of you.

hmm

What you said is pretty much my thoughts all summed up, apples and oranges, they are both unique and there's nothing to gain arguing between the two. But if people want to argue some more I won't stop them, that's what this thread is for so have at it.

It's not a huge deal.
I do both of these and I can see areas where they're easier and areas where the're more difficult.

They both have areas that are difficult

wow. So immature guise. omg.

Practice what you preach, boy.

[Stu Beef]

Arguments like these CANNOT be made unless you are talking about specific examples. That's probably why people are getting frustrated...there's literally nothing to actually talk about.

[Symphon]

Mondo, you're being a bit rude. I'm going to have to kindly ask you to not post here if you're gonna be so hostile towards us.

No, I'm not talking down to you, no, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being quite serious.

Seems more like you can't take criticism and thus, on a condescending manner, ignores it, because of the lack of experience you have on taking actual criticism. Butthurt, as some might say.

I understand that, because the EDM world has now developed into a balkanized gated community, where outside criticism is lazily translated into "hating", thus, it's heavily ignored.

I was saying that because of the statement: "Sure is a whole bunch of elitist fucktwads in this forum." That added nothing to the conversation and was nothing but hostile. Regardless, I'm going to stop responding to you two until you are able to act respectful towards a community you willingly joined. If that's considered "butthurt," then yes, I guess I'm butthurt, if that is what you want to say, but I'm unsure about how this truly added to this thread.

P.S. Towards Mondo: None of us are being "bitter" or "hateful." We have a difference in opinions, but we have yet to insult one another until you showed up in this thread. Yet again, I'm going to ask you to not post if you can't add anything to the conversation. This is the last time I'm going to say that. You may not be intimidated by me since I'm merely just a normal member, but if you're going to talk about how "bitter" and "hateful" we are, practice what you preach and respect someone's request to please settle down.

Edit: If any of you have anything to say to a specific person, please feel free to private message them. There is always that option and it will prevent any more clogging of a thread.

[Mondogreen]

You know, I've been through this before. You guys are gonna take any stab at me that you can get away with every time I say anything, because heaven forbid I might be on to something. o.o And okay, to those of you who don't engage in this 12-year-old bullshit, you're awesome! Keep it up.

[the4thImpulse]

You know, I've been through this before. You guys are gonna take any stab at me that you can get away with every time I say anything, because heaven forbid I might be on to something. o.o And okay, to those of you who don't engage in this 12-year-old bullshit, you're awesome! Keep it up.

The moment we all stop pointing fingers at anyone or everyone is the moment we all grow up. People, apparently, needed to argue about this inconsequential topic so I gave them the place they could do that without bothering everyone else. If anyone is bothered by this topic please don't come here to say so, its off topic and to a large extent childish.

[Mondogreen]

Word. Thanks for that 4th. I'll be sure to stay out of the kitchen from now on.

Sorry for my temper tantrum everypony. I'm over it.

So here's my view without targeting people. This discussion is incredibly disrespectful. All of us put a lot of hard work into what we do, regardless of who works "harder". Also, in a roundabout way, if you're saying that you work harder, then you're declaring yourself better than those who you think don't work as hard as you do. It's validation due to insecurities. My feelings were hurt, so I lashed out.

[colortwelve]

All of us put a lot of hard work into what we do, regardless of who works "harder".

If this doesn't shut you guys up, nothing will. 10/10, Mondo, that's probably the most intelligent statement I've read on this topic (on this thread and elsewhere).

[Motivfs]

Word. Thanks for that 4th. I'll be sure to stay out of the kitchen from now on.

Sorry for my temper tantrum everypony. I'm over it.

So here's my view without targeting people. This discussion is incredibly disrespectful. All of us put a lot of hard work into what we do, regardless of who works "harder". Also, in a roundabout way, if you're saying that you work harder, then you're declaring yourself better than those who you think don't work as hard as you do. It's validation due to insecurities. My feelings were hurt, so I lashed out.

I've just been viewing this thread, rather than replying into this argument, but wow, couldn't have said it better.

[Makkon]

Any last words before I send this thread to outer darkness?


I suppose not. Sorry, guys, this topic is getting sour.
I can't expect everyone to have 'learned their lesson,' but I hope we all realized that there are some topics that are pointless to discuss for obvious reasons. We are all on an even playing field, and we are all artists. Let's not act like snobs.