EqD's new Music of The Day posts: Thoughts?

[Nine Volt]

But as I said before, if Tomb and some random guy who's never made anything for the community submit songs of equal quality to EqD, I'm willing to bet that they would pick Tomb's song over the random guy's song.

This might not always be the case, but they have in the past featured mediocre songs from popular artists simply because the artist is popular (ie: Tomb's Brushie Remix)

I understand that the system is ridiculous.
but they're simply pandering to the popular view (to get more views)

everyone expects them to show tombstone's music, so they do.
If you're a good musician or you play a popular genre (with at least SOME quality) then you'll make it onto EqD. At least on the wall.

So we've agreed this whole time then.
Good :3

[Nine Volt]

we need something to disagree on...
Ideas?

OH.
I personally believe there's too much EDM and Dubstep in the fandom.
It gets onto EqD far too easily.

Unfortunately I agree with that as well :3

BACK ON SUBJECT
EqD, music things, I'm not a fan of their processes, etc etc

[Nine Volt]

Probably not. From what I understand they have x amount of prelisteners who determine whether or not a song is worthy of being posted or something to that effect.

I'm not exactly a frequenter of EqD in any sense of the word.

[Nine Volt]

I don't care about getting on EqD because I don't make pony music :3

[Navron]

Sci didn't get his album accepted by UKF Music, despite the fact Sci's mashups are much, much higher in terms of quality than a lot of artists and songs UKF spotlights.

Sci also doesn't make your typical dubstep/electro that UKF spotlights, so it's not just EqD that has a bias, it's the entire music industry.

If you're going to be more progressive, more technical, more meaningful, and move farther away from what the industry standard is for popular music, then why are you all getting mad that you aren't getting views?

You either conform and make the same stuff as everybody else, not conform and be content with the few people that do appreciate your music, or become such an amazing musician that you can both non-conform, and get a large audience.

Don't assume that your, "better chord progressions," means your song is better. In the eyes of the industry, it doesn't matter how good of a musician you are if people can't get into your music easily. Money isn't made from the smaller groups of people that enjoy the musicality behind songs. It's made from the masses of bros and clubbers, and they don't like your complicated music they can't grind or headbang to.

The only band I regularly listen to that would go against that entire problem with the industry, is Tool, but again, it's because they're so good at what they do, they've created a large enough audience to consider them mainstream. So until you can sing like Maynard, drum like Danny Carey, or play the bass like Justin Chancellor, you will always be disappointed with the industry until you reach that level, or conform with everybody else.

That's just the way things work.

[Nine Volt]

If you're going to be more progressive, more technical, more meaningful, and move farther away from what the industry standard is for popular music, then why are you all getting mad that you aren't getting views?

Who's getting mad? And nobody mentioned getting less views, either, so I really don't get why you bothered saying that

[Navron]

If you're going to be more progressive, more technical, more meaningful, and move farther away from what the industry standard is for popular music, then why are you all getting mad that you aren't getting views?

Who's getting mad? And nobody mentioned getting less views, either, so I really don't get why you bothered saying that

Idk, maybe the people discussing the new MotD, and the number of views with that vs. being in a featured post.

People wouldn't be discussing this topic over and over if it didn't have anything to do with views and publicity.

Why are you even in this topic anyway?

[Nine Volt]

Why are you even in this topic anyway?

I'm going to go ahead and assume you didn't mean that in a dickish way

I'm here because I wanted to debate and discuss regarding EqD's new music of the day thing. I'm betting that's what everyone else is here for as well.

[Navron]

Wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just completely perplexed that somebody who's said multiple times they aren't a brony, doesn't follow EqD very often, and doesn't care about getting on EqD, would be active in a topic involving the submission process of EqD

[Nine Volt]

Wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just completely perplexed that somebody who's said multiple times they aren't a brony, doesn't follow EqD very often, and doesn't care about getting on EqD, would be active in a topic involving the submission process of EqD

Ok, ok, it just came off rather bluntly :3

I really can't recall a single time where I've said I wasn't a brony, though. I'm definitely a brony, no doubt about it, though I tend to be an inconspicuous one in my day-to-day life.

You are right about the last two statements though, I've only gone on EqD maybe four or five times and I truthfully don't care about getting on.

I don't really know why I'm active in the thread, maybe I just like debating

[Anorax]

I can't say I'm a fan of MotD system simply because it attempts to do something that EqD and the brony music community as a whole lacks the resources to do; filter music effectively according to quality.

I wrote a blog post on this a few days ago comparing the brony music scene to the VGM remixing scene, and a focal point of that was a lack of an effectively filtering measure to spotlight the good music in an unbiased and consistent way within the brony music scene. Regarding EqD in particular, copypasta'd from my blog entry:

My experience with Equestria Daily as both a listener and a musician has led me to one conclusion: It’s a mixed bag. Three out of the five tracks I’ve submitted have been in spotlight articles, with the other two ending up in “Music of the Day” articles. If you don’t know what music of the day is, it’s like this: When most of the pre-listeners vote no on a track, it goes to music of the day with like 10+ other songs that didn’t make the cut. A great system, if it wasn’t so inconsistent. The pre-listeners, they’re no OCR judges; most of them don’t even come close to the level of talent and experience the OCR Judges Panel has on average. So what gets spotlighted on EqD and what gets a backseat all too often differs from what objectively should get spotlighted and stuck into the “leftovers” post. A combination of what I lovingly refer to as “popular mediocrity” and a severe slant towards EDM and orchestral music within the pre-listener base overshadows what objectivity and experience there may be. Yeah, they usually get it right, because some tracks are obviously better than others. But sometimes, they slip, and a great rock piece will take a backseat to some mechanical, under-produced attempt at EDM, or an orchestral piece that sounds like a SNES rip.

Really, I'd like the system a lot more if they had more experienced and unbiased pre-listeners voting on tracks. Of course, the community on the whole seems to have those same biases, so maybe EqD's just spotlighting what the bronies are most likely to want to hear, but if that's the case, they can't really claim to be unbiased.

Ermergerd it's DersK

I'm actually glad you compared this to OCR to be honest (I was going to do that anyway, but I'm glad to see someone else from OCR jumped over here too). My biggest complaint overall with EqD's music function is the fact that the prelisteners judge based on Y/N without any reason of WHY you liked/disliked a post (this may have something to do with the fact that prelistening is done in a skype call and not somewhere like a private forum where results can be looked at later). No OCR-esque YES, NO, or NO (resub) with the accompanying complaints/compliments on the piece in question. If you don't know what the hell I'm talking about take a quick look through the judges decisions subforum on OCR.

What I like about OCR is that even if you're rejected, you still get feedback from the judges on why they rejected your submission and possibly on how you can improve it.

EqD won't tell you if your song was rejected unless you specifically ask them, and then your rejection email might be written by someone who wasn't even in the prelistening session (mine was).

I understand that EqD isn't exactly the go-to place for community music, but it DOES garner a lot of views, and if you're looking to increase your viewcount, that's the place to go. HOWEVER, if you're wanting to improve your craft at the same time, you don't get squat from them.

I've said this before (probably on my tumblr), but EqD's MoTD post system is basically a policy of appeasement and will need another rework sometime soon, and a major one at that.



Although I guess my biggest complaint is that the brony community is severely missing something as supportive and rigorous as OCR and its judging system. Maybe someone should set that up? hint hint