What DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) do you use?

[Dabrenn]

I started using Sunvox a few weeks ago, and it is AMAZING! I have never used a music programs that I love as much as Sunvox. No one knows about it though...

I thought Sunvox was a Mobile studio App? Like iPod, Android, and iPad?

[ccccocoa]

I started using Sunvox a few weeks ago, and it is AMAZING! I have never used a music programs that I love as much as Sunvox. No one knows about it though...

I thought Sunvox was a Mobile studio App? Like iPod, Android, and iPad?

There are versions released for mobile devices, but it's been around on desktop platforms for a while longer.

[Anforium]

I started using Sunvox a few weeks ago, and it is AMAZING! I have never used a music programs that I love as much as Sunvox. No one knows about it though...

I thought Sunvox was a Mobile studio App? Like iPod, Android, and iPad?

There are versions released for mobile devices, but it's been around on desktop platforms for a while longer.

Yeah, there are versions for iOS, Android, PalmOS, Windos CE, and some others, but it is also an extremely powerful desktop application for Windows, Linux, and OSX. It is a brilliant program though, and I would recomend it to anybody.

[Omnomnomnom]

REAPER is my choice. It brings incredible power to the home producer.
It's quite affordable, it works well, and there are improvements made all the time. Great all-around DAW.
Better than frickin 32-bit $600+ PT IMO
Still, FL is practically optimized for electronic stuff

I like REAPER because Cockos doesn't do BS and everything about Reaper says "awesomeness". I mean, they even removed all copy protection because they were the first company to realize that copy protection is annoying and gets in the way.
Like frickin PT and their BS iLoks >:O

[the4thImpulse]

REAPER is my choice. It brings incredible power to the home producer.
It's quite affordable, it works well, and there are improvements made all the time. Great all-around DAW.
Better than frickin 32-bit $600+ PT IMO
Still, FL is practically optimized for electronic stuff

I like REAPER because Cockos doesn't do BS and everything about Reaper says "awesomeness". I mean, they even removed all copy protection because they were the first company to realize that copy protection is annoying and gets in the way.
Like frickin PT and their BS iLoks >:O

Have you ever used Pro Tools? Probably not because you couldn't pirate it.
What you should know about it is there's a reason why its used in almost every recording studio out there, its one of the best recording workstations to date. The audio engines behind it is industry leading and the workflow is near perfect for many engineers and producers.

Do you know why companies use anti theft technologies like Pro Tools? Because they truly deserve to be paid for creating and maintaining the DAWs you use to make music and for some to make a living.

I am sorry for being off topic but comments like these really piss me off.

[Omnomnomnom]

REAPER is my choice. It brings incredible power to the home producer.
It's quite affordable, it works well, and there are improvements made all the time. Great all-around DAW.
Better than frickin 32-bit $600+ PT IMO
Still, FL is practically optimized for electronic stuff

I like REAPER because Cockos doesn't do BS and everything about Reaper says "awesomeness". I mean, they even removed all copy protection because they were the first company to realize that copy protection is annoying and gets in the way.
Like frickin PT and their BS iLoks >:O

Have you ever used Pro Tools? Probably not because you couldn't pirate it.
What you should know about it is there's a reason why its used in almost every recording studio out there, its one of the best recording workstations to date. The audio engines behind it is industry leading and the workflow is near perfect for many engineers and producers.

Do you know why companies use anti theft technologies like Pro Tools? Because they truly deserve to be paid for creating and maintaining the DAWs you use to make music and for some to make a living.

I am sorry for being off topic but comments like these really piss me off.

I get where you're coming from, but just because I would hate to have to plug a stick into my machine all the time doesn't mean I'm a pirate. It's just that I'm using that as an example of how, albeit when taken to the extreme, copy protection can get annoying even to us paying consumers.
And, yes, PT is expensive (and, thus, prolly really good). I've seen my music instructors use it (very efficiently, I might add), and that's why I know it's an industry standard. I'm not hating on PT, I'm more or less exaggerating the cost-efficiency of Reaper, because, while PT's an industry standard, it costs a lot. Cockos, like I said, brought a good solution to the home customers like me, because it was cheap and affordable, yet didn't feel cheap and affordable.

I mean, I understand why companies want copy-protection. And I abide to that. I'm not saying it's that BAD. I get it; people work hard for these programs and deserve the money. I'm not saying that all companies should do what Cockos does. It's just that the fact that Cockos would stick their neck out for a small inconvenience to us users makes them pretty badass, in my opinion.

Tldr, I'm just saying that the fact that copy protection is practically necessary for a product to earn money for the company (like you said), and yet, Cockos defied that because, and I quote, "We believe that technological enforcement of copy protection is not in the best interest of our customers.", makes Cockos awesome. It's for the same reason that copy protection is so important for companies that makes Cockos like the Good Samaritan out of the bunch. They're willing to make a sacrifice for the puniest benefit for us. Also, I just plain like the program. It's pretty good.

Jesus fuggin christ, I was joking about PT btw. I wasn't trying to piss anybody off.

[Dabrenn]

They're willing to make a sacrifice for the puniest benefit for us

You actually believe they're cutting their profits to be nice? They're doing what they think will get them the most money, that's called business. That just so happens to be filling the niche of an inexpensive DAW since they know they can't compete with the likes of ProTools, Logic, and Ableton.

You also said Reaper is

Better than frickin 32-bit $600+ PT IMO

Implying that it is a better DAW overall than PT. That screams ignorance and fanboyism.

You say Copy Protection is BS, then turn around and say its not bad. You're contradicting yourself bro. Be careful of how you word things.

[Sonarch]

Unrelated to the current conversation, I've got Sony ACID 8, still trying to understand it, and hardly anyone else seems to have it. But, if I end up doing this music tech class next year i'll learn FL, so I might pick that up at some point.

[the4thImpulse]

Unrelated to the current conversation, I've got Sony ACID 8, still trying to understand it, and hardly anyone else seems to have it. But, if I end up doing this music tech class next year i'll learn FL, so I might pick that up at some point.

I am sorta working with it in my audio engineering classes if you have any questions feel free to shot me a pm or post a thread, I will do my best to help.

[Sonarch]

Oh cool, thanks!

[Omnomnomnom]

They're willing to make a sacrifice for the puniest benefit for us

You actually believe they're cutting their profits to be nice? They're doing what they think will get them the most money, that's called business. That just so happens to be filling the niche of an inexpensive DAW since they know they can't compete with the likes of ProTools, Logic, and Ableton.

You also said Reaper is

Better than frickin 32-bit $600+ PT IMO

Implying that it is a better DAW overall than PT. That screams ignorance and fanboyism.

You say Copy Protection is BS, then turn around and say its not bad. You're contradicting yourself bro. Be careful of how you word things.

So you're saying that allowing people to test their "trial" infinitely, keeping license costs based on whether you actually make a living off this program, and just letting people get their program license for 60$ will actually benefit them in the end?
Look, if you want to talk business, and "getting the most money", you have to look at how the hell Cockos makes money. They put their program out for 60$. But their COMPLETELY unrestricted, UNLIMITED free trial is up for grabs for ANYBODY ON THEIR SITE. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GET THEM LOADS MONEY, HUH? They must be so greedy to let people just take their program for free. *cough* blatant sarcasm *cough*
It's based on the honor system, okay? If you believe it's a good program, which you have an infinite amount of time to decide and test, you pay for it on your own will. They let you decide whether you even want to pay for this program. So don't spew shit about "business tactics", okay? Obviously Cockos is either incredibly stupid, incredibly generous, or both, because it cannot possibly be "for business", whether they have superior competition or not. I mean, you could go to their official site to download their program without paying them A SINGLE CENT. How the hell does that get them the most money? They would have little motive to do that on their own part. Jeez, actually consider the situation before you type crap about "business tactics".

Also, I was joking about PT, okay? Reaper is cool, but it's not a flawless DAW and I'm not a huge fanboy for it. PT is pretty fucking good, too, okay? It was a single, off comment about how I thought PT was EXPENSIVE, which it relatively is. NOT FANBOYISM. You have to look at how much you pay for (yeah, maybe I'm a thrifty person): obviously an Italian sports car is better than a truck, but that's kinda because you'd pay a helluva lot more.
Also, I didn't actually say copy protection was BS. I just said that Cockos was awesome and didn't do BS. It doesn't mean that copy protection is BS; those statements were 2 separate sentences.

Implications can only be made by the reader.

Furthermore, I meant that copy protection taken to the extreme can be annoying, but the other side of the story is that it's necessary for business. I didn't mean that copy protection is BS as a whole, but rather that AVID kinda went overboard with it. Anything that is taken too far is annoying, even if only minutely so. Having to plug stuff in as a physical key sticking out of your laptop everywhere is still annoying. Ew, physical things? Gross.

So, yes, my wording was ambiguous and misunderstandable, but what I meant to write down was not supposed to be seemingly "contradictory". Bah, so sue me, English was my second language.

So stop being so serious and just let it end before this all goes into total flamewar. We're on a forum designed for musicians who watch My little pony, remember? Last I checked, I was allowed to have opinions on DAW's, am not a pirate, and could have my own thoughts on whether copy protection is slightly annoying or not. No hard feelings, okay? Probably just a large, confusing, misunderstanding that we can just let go. No need to go full rage.

[VINXIS]

lelIusemixcraft6ifyouguysneverknewsinceyouguyswouldhaveneverknowneventhoughIpostitallthetimeandyouguysforgetthefactofthesmallamountofmixcraftusers.

Yea I upgraded to mixcraft 6.1 build 201

[Nine Volt]

I'm gonna ignore the current PT argument and say that I now find FL Studio to be much more easy and efficient than Reason. Except automation clips, Reason does those better IMO.

[Dabrenn]

FL Studio... Except automation clips

Oh god this. FL Automation is a hassle.

Between the troublsome automation, having the hassle of assigning instruments to mixer tracks then handling effects from there, the 10,000 windows, the inability to quickly and efficiently swap and copy midi between instruments, and the general look and feel of FL (opinion) is what so vehemently drove me away from it.

Ableton Live just makes everything so much quicker and more streamline. I can't grasp why people would use FL over Live if given the choice. The only reason I see is the built-in VST's and synths of FL.

Enlighten me if you would :D

[the4thImpulse]

Oh god this. FL Automation is a hassle.

Between the troublsome automation, having the hassle of assigning instruments to mixer tracks then handling effects from there, the 10,000 windows, the inability to quickly and efficiently swap and copy midi between instruments, and the general look and feel of FL (opinion) is what so vehemently drove me away from it.

Ableton Live just makes everything so much quicker and more streamline. I can't grasp why people would use FL over Live if given the choice. The only reason I see is the built-in VST's and synths of FL.

Enlighten me if you would

Personally FL was a great platform to learn on, get the basics (and then some) down and grow a bit. It was very simple to make drums beats and draw out midi but like you said ableton is just way faster at everything when it comes to midi. After the switch to live I miss nothing from the good ol' FL days. Ableton does take a bit more work to first get into but once you begin to grasp it (and its really not that difficult if anyone is struggling with it) it will work seamlessly with whatever you want to do.

Ableton has as just as good if not better built in plugins (talking about suite) imo, that alone shouldn't be much of a deciding point between the two.

[Dabrenn]

Ableton has as just as good if not better built in plugins (talking about suite) imo, that alone shouldn't be much of a deciding point between the two.

Really? I feel like the only built in plugin worth using in Ableton once you get other VSTs is Operator (excluding Drum rack, simpler/sampler, and instrument rack), then again I've barely even touched Collision and Tension.


Also, random not about FL. The one thing I liked about FL was the Midi note editor/piano roll thing. I felt that was a little easier to use than Ableton's. You could split, add, arpeggiate, and move notes quicker. I can't really come of up with a decent melody without my keyboard on Ableton's note editor, but I can on FL's

[Acsii]

I have to agree with Dabrenn... I only really use some of the inbuilt plugins in Live even though I paid a large some for the Suite... Most of em being effects not instruments... P

[Sonarch]

Okay, i'm really inexperienced with DAWs in general, can you explain to me what effects plugins do, and maybe give me a few examples of effects plugins? I have no idea what they're used for.

[Acsii]

Okay, i'm really inexperienced with DAWs in general, can you explain to me what effects plugins do, and maybe give me a few examples of effects plugins? I have no idea what they're used for.

It's like effects you put on an audio channel... Like a compressor, delay, reverb and stuff like that

[Sonarch]

Okay, I delay is pretty self explanatory, but what does compressing do?

[Acsii]

Okay, I delay is pretty self explanatory, but what does compressing do?

Well... well in short it lessens the channels dynamic range... so it basically lowers the volume of some frequencies and ups the volume on others.

Kinda like this picture

[Watashig]

Take your time to watch this video. I remember someone linking it here before, I just don't remember who. It's definitely worth taking your time to watch.

[Sonarch]

Thanks, both of you. I really haven't made anything in my DAW yet, so I don't really know how most of it works. I need to find the time to sit and make stuff for awhile to get familiar. Until then, I guess I'll keep going on guitar stuff.

[Acsii]

Thanks, both of you. I really haven't made anything in my DAW yet, so I don't really know how most of it works. I need to find the time to sit and make stuff for awhile to get familiar. Until then, I guess I'll keep going on guitar stuff.

I wish you luck on your endeavours into the world of music

[DJColeTPony]

FL STUDIO!!!!11111