"Massive" phasing issue

[Matthew N.]

Hey guys, I really hope there are some NI Massive experts here.

So I completely tweaked one of the pre-sets. It sounds awesome and all, until about 24 seconds pass and the phasing becomes really loud, distorting the entire track with the low freq. When I tried to restart via gate, the bass (that's what I am using it for) lost its richness and became a crappy electro'ish synth - one that cannot be revived by any FXs.

Any suggestions?

[Matthew N.]

I don't own massive, so I can't give specifics as to how it works, but most of the synthesizers have some kind of a lowpass filter.
did you use one of these? and if so what kind and what kind of phaser did you set up?

I set my phasers... to maximum (sorry, couldn't resist!)

On a serious note: yes, I did use LP filter, but even without it it has its peak somewhere along the track, distorting the whole thing.

This is really frustrating. I don't feel like going on with the track until this damn thing is fixed - and I have already spent like 2 hours on it. :/

[Matthew N.]

massive should have envelopes that you can program with it
what type of envelope form do you use?

If it doesn't have an envelope form, what do you use for the run of the midi clip?

K, one of the envelopes was the issue - although the power of the bass dropped after I got rid of it. This, however, is not as huge as restarting via gate. Thanks for the hint.

[Versilaryan]

What you can do is set where all the oscillators start. Drag the little bars in that window to the right and see how things sound. Whenever I restart with gate, I always fine tune the phase offsets so I get precisely the sound I want.

[Matthew N.]

What you can do is set where all the oscillators start. Drag the little bars in that window to the right and see how things sound. Whenever I restart with gate, I always fine tune the phase offsets so I get precisely the sound I want.

I have tried that already, but this was just terrible. The bass synth lost its power and color. Anyway, it's all good now. Removed one of the envelopes, boosted the bass with fxs and that = win.

[natsukashi]

If you're using phaser as an FX then your problem is most likely too much feedback. Feedback simply repeats the signal again and again and again and again and then you have like the penultimate moment of feedback and it sounds like SHIT

so yeah.

If it's in the modulation osc. Den iunno really. >_>

[Matthew N.]

Ok, this has not been solved. It sounded fine on my sound system, but when I put my headset... OUCH. Even worse than before.

@natsukashi

I'll check it now. I'll reply asap.

EDIT: There are no phasing FXs in the mixer, and I made sure there are no modifiers in Massive itself (the phaser FX within Massive is not modding anything at all.)

I am kinda new to massive, so this is incredibly problematic to me. Would someone be willing to TRY to fix it for me if I provided the pre-set with mixer track?

[Navron]

Do you have a sample and hold or bitcrusher FX send on your massive preset? I've often found that a S&H/bitcrusher tends to lose all punchiness and bass quality when you tweak it around too much, and the only way around it is to rebuild the preset.

[Matthew N.]

Do you have a sample and hold or bitcrusher FX send on your massive preset? I've often found that a S&H/bitcrusher tends to lose all punchiness and bass quality when you tweak it around too much, and the only way around it is to rebuild the preset.

The issue here is not the bass as it is - it's this damn phasing within massive I can't get rid off.

[natsukashi]

is it a preset that came with massive? if so which one is it?

[Matthew N.]

is it a preset that came with massive? if so which name is it?

It used to be a pre-set, but I modified it. It sounds nothing like the original. It is based on the "massive bass".

[natsukashi]

Could you upload the modified .ksd then? :3

[Matthew N.]

Could you upload the modified .ksd then? :3

.ksd? I am running on FL Studio; I can only upload .fst for massive and mixer chan.

[natsukashi]

I meant that you save the preset as a new file, and then upload it. Though if you're running separate fx on the mixer channel then that method is void. That only works if the problem is within the patch itself!

[natsukashi]

Yeah okay, looking at the file now. I believe that it's the unisono together with the full panning (if you check the voicing tab) that does it. To understand why I believe this, set it to polyphony and hit two notes at the same time and you'll hear how they oscillate against eachother. It is not harmonous. =w=

The thing that makes your bass sound all low and "bwoooooo" after a while is the decay on the Cutoff @ the Scream filter. That is simply how your bass really sounds, the scream modulation is just there to give it some nice initial punch, but once it's gone you get the original cutoff frequency. And that's why the lows are filling up your patch.

Though why would you want to play your bass straight for 24 seconds? That's overkill!

[Matthew N.]

Yeah okay, looking at the file now. I believe that it's the unisono together with the full panning (if you check the voicing tab) that does it. To understand why I believe this, set it to polyphony and hit two notes at the same time and you'll hear how they oscillate against eachother. It is not harmonous. =w=

The thing that makes your bass sound all low and "bwoooooo" after a while is the decay on the Cutoff @ the Scream filter. That is simply how your bass really sounds, the scream modulation is just there to give it some nice initial punch, but once it's gone you get the original cutoff frequency. And that's why the lows are filling up your patch.

Though why would you want to play your bass straight for 24 seconds? That's overkill!

Answer: Progressive trance.

That's some serious effort of yours to try and help out. I have learned a couple of things, thanks! However, I guess I'll dump that bassline and go with the new one.

Once again, <3.

[natsukashi]

Oh yeah, don't dump it just yet. I realized once starting making my own house bass for my track. Go to voicing and set "Pitch cutoff" to Off. That might get rid of the phasing. :3

I also learnt a bunch from trying to see where the issue was coming from, so the pleasure is really mine!