Official Discussion Thread (Ghost Edit)

[Jokeblue]

I'd be SO down for a mexican one though

There are gonna be tacos burritos and nachos galore and I'm gonna get to play lead guitar because our guitarist will be out of town for the event.

And I literally just found out there are gonna be a bunch of side events and gamestuffs including a chili eating contest.

Needless to say I'm keen

[Bronies Are Cool]

So my friend was telling me he has a guitar that is kind of rare. I guess only like 75K were ever made and most of them were red. He has a black one. It has some special kind of whammy bar that they don't make any more which is better than what they do make these days where it doesn't make your guitar go out of tune.
He says that the guitar with that on it is worth over 2.5K (usd) and I know he is trying to sell it

[S.P.P]

75k isn't very rare .. And Evertune bridges are still going strong and commonplace. Sorry to burst his bubble. I have a one-of-a-kind guitar hardly worth £50.

[Acsii]

So my friend was telling me he has a guitar that is kind of rare. I guess only like 75K were ever made and most of them were red. He has a black one. It has some special kind of whammy bar that they don't make any more which is better than what they do make these days where it doesn't make your guitar go out of tune.
He says that the guitar with that on it is worth over 2.5K (usd) and I know he is trying to sell it

post a pic of the guitar and I'll tell you if it's rare or not.

[Ricky Denzel]

I hate to say this, but I'm leaving MLR. I just don't feel like half of the people her don't take me or my work on here seriously. I've worked hard for my music and just to be taken granted just makes it worse. whenever I make something, I keep getting criticized, even for the music I don't even take serious. Seems to me that everything I do is just for nothing. I know that if I keep trying, I'll get better, but all I hear is "I don't like the synths" or "it's too loud" or "too hard" or "you need to keep trying." I've been trying for 5 years and it's not helping me with shit. To those of you who believed in me, Thanks. To the critics: expletive and I bid you good day.

-Ricky

[LFP]

I hate to say this, but I'm leaving MLR. I just don't feel like half of the people her don't take me or my work on here seriously.
...I keep getting criticized
...but all I hear is "I don't like the synths" or "it's too loud" or "too hard" or "you need to keep trying."

Shouldn't that be an indicator people take your work seriously?
If I were to give feedback on a track and a dude said to me "take it seriously" I wouldn't go "it's good".

[FLAOFEI]

What LFP says could be true, but negative criticism isn't always that fun or useful. You should always try to b give positive feedback. I don't mean lie and say it's great if it isn't, but if you liked something you point it out. Mostly though you shouldn't point out problems without helping out with the solution.

I went to Rickys soundcloud (cause tbh, I never checked before :I ) and Ialthough I don't enjoy trap I thought the 2 newest tracks are pretty good. I don't know much about the genre though, and tbh I still don't enjoy trap, so I can't really give any feedback. Sounds good to me tho :/

[Stuntddude]

I think the real lesson to be learned here is "don't ask strangers on the internet for critique, ask people who actually care about your and/or your work, and who at least passively care for your success."

[ph00tbag]

People who care too much may also be inclined to hold back because they don't want to hurt your feelings. The real problem with asking webfolk is that you may get someone who knows what they're talking about and knows how to impart that knowledge, or you may get someone who has no fucking clue except they think it sounds bad.

[FLAOFEI]

Those are both valid reasons nott to trust internet critics, but when you don't know anyone with knowledge of the process of making music the internet is the only option. I don't even know anybody who listens to my kind of music. And many people I know don't even think electronic music is real music. If I want feedback I don't have anywhere else to turn :/

[Bronies Are Cool]

Here what I think is weird about the furry forum and this one.
In regards to hypnotism, literally nobody has talked about the negative effects if it. Like, everyone is like "yea!! That's cool! Let me try!" And then later post "holy cow I was a dragon!"

But here, it's different. Like, I wonder why there is a lot more people here that are negative about it than on there. Literally 0 disliked the idea and there was at least 3 pages about it.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Because not many of us want to be horses, and most of us aren't willing to risk our mental health to do so.

[Acsii]

Hypnotists always say that it won't work unless you believe it will... just think about that for a sec...

[Stuntddude]

Rule of thumb: If it "only works when you believe it will", then it probably doesn't work.

[eery]

I unno, Im a fan of like hypnosis tapes, not like pony transformation ones, but just in general. I find it very relaxing to listen to, and it helps me sleep.

There is a basis in it, like you are the master of your own mind, so only you can decide what happens to it. Its nothing but relaxation and suggestive messages to alter your mind in a certain direction. If you dont want that direction, then you wont go in that direction.

Also, placebo is a welldocumented effect that proves you very much wrong, stuntdude.

[LFP]

Rule of thumb: If it "only works when you believe it will", then it probably doesn't work.

That's not true, I could totally see that believing in the hypnosis being a major keystone to actually achieving hypnosis.
You can pretty much tell your mind anything as long as you believe it hard enough.

Back in the days of like world war 2 when cities where low on supplies they used to hand out small pills containing sugar instead of actual medicine claiming that it'll solve your headache or easy the pain in your leg etc.
They worked, but only on people who didn't know the truth and strongly believed that the pill would help you.
The sugar was there to enchance your trust on the pill as sugar is both tasty and makes you less tired for a little while, people mistook this for the pill beginning it's miracle medicine thing.

The most common reason for "losing your mind"/"becoming crazy" is when something traumatic which you can't handle happens like say your family dies (usually it has to be in a extreme way but let's not get into that), or being put in the prison cell where you only have walls and it's pitch black for a longer time (can't remember the English name for it), you become crazy because you just can't handle the truth and tell yourself otherwise such as you never had a family etc. the dangerous thing is when someone tells you about what really happened.

In regards to the furry forum being more acceptable towards hypnosis I think it has to do with that forum being more extreme than this one.
I wouldn't recommend hypnosis at all but that probably has to do with that I haven't tried it myself similar to how everyone says "drugs are bad" but the guy just tried drugs would probably say it's heaven while most likely arguing around the downsides.

[Bronies Are Cool]

Rule of thumb: If it "only works when you believe it will", then it probably doesn't work.

That's not true, I could totally see that believing in the hypnosis being a major keystone to actually achieving hypnosis.
You can pretty much tell your mind anything as long as you believe it hard enough.

Back in the days of like world war 2 when cities where low on supplies they used to hand out small pills containing sugar instead of actual medicine claiming that it'll solve your headache or easy the pain in your leg etc.
They worked, but only on people who didn't know the truth and strongly believed that the pill would help you.
The sugar was there to enchance your trust on the pill as sugar is both tasty and makes you less tired for a little while, people mistook this for the pill beginning it's miracle medicine thing.

The most common reason for "losing your mind"/"becoming crazy" is when something traumatic which you can't handle happens like say your family dies (usually it has to be in a extreme way but let's not get into that), or being put in the prison cell where you only have walls and it's pitch black for a longer time (can't remember the English name for it), you become crazy because you just can't handle the truth and tell yourself otherwise such as you never had a family etc. the dangerous thing is when someone tells you about what really happened.

In regards to the furry forum being more acceptable towards hypnosis I think it has to do with that forum being more extreme than this one.
I wouldn't recommend hypnosis at all but that probably has to do with that I haven't tried it myself similar to how everyone says "drugs are bad" but the guy just tried drugs would probably say it's heaven while most likely arguing around the downsides.

This is probably one of the best things I have heard anyone say about hypnotism as it is very down to earth

[ExoBassTix]

I believe in the magic of friendship.

[Freewave]

BAC, the MLPforum has an extensive Tulpa thread and had a 192 page one for pony hypnosis, however both i personally think are complete wastes of time and aren't constructive ways to alter your mind... to be frank. You just won't find such support on mlr as we're trying hard to get a well constructed mix and less on trying to convince ourselves that we're a cartoon horse or have invisible friends.

Small Vent
So after a much needed 7 day vacation in the woods, then spending a load of time in the last 3 days on music when i got home, finally launching a large musical group project this week (with the promise of weekly tracks)....my hard drive on my main pc completely died last night. Right before heading back to work. Feels like the irony in the song is smacking me directly in the face atmo.

I think i had just about everything important backed up (music projects, photos, samples, sound libraries, lots of software, music collection) but the idea of reinstalling a pc from scratch with all the same software required just sounds awful at this moment (especially with money tight). Part of me just wants to throw in the towel, see it as a sign to quit, and call it a day but I'm hoping maybe i can bounce back semi quick. Will see what life continues to throw at me.

See the luck I've had
Could make a good man turn bad

[JSynth]

Here what I think is weird about the furry forum and this one.
In regards to hypnotism, literally nobody has talked about the negative effects if it. Like, everyone is like "yea!! That's cool! Let me try!" And then later post "holy cow I was a dragon!"

But here, it's different. Like, I wonder why there is a lot more people here that are negative about it than on there. Literally 0 disliked the idea and there was at least 3 pages about it.

It really depends on the area of hypnosis. I mean, watching people you know do goofy things at a hypnotist show never gets old. There is also hypnotherapy, which can be used to quit smoking or help with phobias. I had a teacher who used it to help with her arachnophobia. The weird parts are the things like pony hypnosis.

[Stuntddude]

Also, placebo is a welldocumented effect that proves you very much wrong, stuntdude.

Yes, we all know about the placebo effect. The difference is that some of us understand that something having a placebo effect does not mean it works. Quite the contrary - if, say, a medicine or treatment is shown to produce a very similar effect to a placebo, it means it doesn't work.

If you think that "proves me very much wrong," probably either you didn't understand my post or you don't understand the placebo effect.

You can pretty much tell your mind anything as long as you believe it hard enough.

Belief is a product of the mind, not the other way around. What you believe is based on how you're informed - you can't just arbitrarily choose to believe something. Plus what you're saying is essentially "if you can make yourself believe something strongly enough, then you can make yourself believe it" - well no dip, Sherlock, but belief is not something that can be spontaneously wished into existence any more than (for instance) knowledge can.

[ExoBassTix]

Rule of thumb: If it "only works when you believe it will", then it probably doesn't work.

I prefer "shit happened" over "shit happens," sorry.

[FLAOFEI]

Oh Stuntdude, how do you know that? You are convinced the facts you know are true, you believe in them. Why? You learned from a trustworthy source. Do you believe you are infallible at judging what is a trustworthy source?

Anyway. Placebo is a term for medical effects without any chemical intervention. Hypnosis is a term for some sort of mind alteration thingy or something without chemical intervention. Pretty much the same thing :/

[LFP]

You can pretty much tell your mind anything as long as you believe it hard enough.

Belief is a product of the mind, not the other way around. What you believe is based on how you're informed - you can't just arbitrarily choose to believe something. Plus what you're saying is essentially "if you can make yourself believe something strongly enough, then you can make yourself believe it" - well no dip, Sherlock, but belief is not something that can be spontaneously wished into existence any more than (for instance) knowledge can.

I wouldn't necessarily say that what you believe is always based on how you're informed.
How would someone then be in denial of, say a traumatic experience.
I would say that counts as someone "just arbitrarily choosing to believe something".

What I meant to say with the text is that if you can make yourself believe something strongly enough, then you can make that your reality.
If my poor phrasing or choice of words deceived the message then I am sorry, I thought my little history texts explained it enough :P

[ph00tbag]

Rule of thumb: If it "only works when you believe it will", then it probably doesn't work.

In matters of the mind and its connection with the body, things are less clear than that. The fact that reality can really only be interpreted through the mind means that your reality is whatever your mind tells you it is, and if your mind tells you you're a horse, then holy shit you're a horse.

And make no mistake; the altered states of consciousness that inceive these ideas are real. They are experiences validated by consistently replicated descriptions given by people who've experienced them, and neurologically, they have properties that are significantly distinct from your day-to-day conscious experience. And pretty consistently, their nature and intensity are highly dependent on initial conditions and receptiveness.

In general, however, mind-programming (and make no mistake, this is what any kind of psychonautical endeavor is, no matter how non-extreme) like hypnosis, or dianetics must be recognized as such, and given due respect. Like with any program, when changing a line of code, you need to make sure every routine that calls that line is able to handle the return. But with the mind, it's so much more complicated because there's so many more connections between everything.